[19:12] HANG ON ALL OF YOU!! WE HAVE A PROBLEM [19:13] grammar? [19:13] ok I am going to open it back up for now [19:13] * CrashMaster sets mode: -m [19:13] who needs it to read proper ;) [19:13] someone probably has a firewall as big as texas in nvidia [19:13] hmm [19:13] Bah! [19:13] * Joins: i01 [19:13] * OliT applause [19:13] sup [19:13] everyone can talk now [19:13] sup [19:13] What are you guys doing, it worked last time :) [19:13] wahey [19:13] * tomas_ is now known as tomas [19:13] ! [19:13] give the nvidia guys voice and put the chan back on +m [19:13] cool [19:13] * Quits: Scott [19:13] * zaver käkar skorpor o kör cs så länge [19:13] ;) [19:13] =p [19:13] * CrashMaster changes topic to 'www.bjorn3d.com Chat today at 7:30pm Eastern with the NVIDIA nForce Team !!!!!!!' [19:13] *sigh* [19:13] Is it true that you are only using the ACL650 codec with analoge inputs, and to get soundstorm you have to use the digital out? [19:14] 7:30 [19:14] * Casper sets mode: +o Chad [19:14] I'm with akke`. Voice up the nv guys. [19:14] :SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS [19:14] Yeah, cut all this crap [19:14] brb [19:14] * Quits: Mat128 [19:14] Let's just meditate until they get here [19:14] @redist, you still get all the functionality of the nv apu using analog out but the sound does go through the alc codec [19:14] * Joins: Mat128 [19:14] * OliT humms [19:14] I'd like to say hello and thanks to the NV nForce team for showing up. :) [19:14] imback [19:14] Delayed as the GF FX [19:14] test [19:14] redist, questions to an op, and the answer is the ALC65x is the best value ac97 chip, but is not the only one that can be used [19:14] Yeah, testing testing [19:14] * Parts: sus|Friamannen [19:15] That was fantastic! Thank u NV guys, now I'm convinced. :) [19:15] * Joins: sus|Friamannen [19:15] well since the NV guys are not here, I thought it would spark conversation [19:15] What is the best nForce 2 board guys? [19:15] any from nForcersHQ around? [19:15] we are here. [19:15] There are NF team guys here [19:15] Put the moderated back on please :-) [19:15] BTW [19:15] Mat128: Probably the A7N8X-DLX [19:15] nv is here [19:15] @redist, using digital out bypasses the shoddy alc650 [19:15] Hallowed: yes me [19:15] A7N8X Deluxe [19:15] heh [19:15] lets kill the pubtalk [19:15] im a moderator @ nfhq [19:15] Nice that's the one I got [19:15] yes I know [19:15] there you are [19:15] will in a sec [19:15] any linux nvidia users? [19:15] so how much quality am I losing with it going through analog? [19:15] operators, please voice the relevant people and put the chan back on +m... [19:15] I'm mat128 [19:15] one here [19:16] I got nForce Aware rank like yesterday [19:16] pubtalk? gimme some beer meng ;) [19:16] Think the Abit NF7-s is no 1. [19:16] redist: The whole picture of soundstorm is the great digital quality, isn't it? [19:16] wolfy :/ [19:16] that is true [19:16] * Psionicist sets 'virtual' mode +m [19:16] i'm a linux and nvidia user [19:16] good point [19:16] * Quits: zorco ("- nbs-irc 1.8 - www.nbs-irc.tk -") [19:16] sorry about this delay [19:16] 2 a7n8x deluxe, 1 NF7-s [19:16] @redist, using digital out bypasses the shoddy alc650 <-- actually it doesnt bypass the ALC650, but it doesnt go thru the noisy analogue parts of it :) [19:16] k6-2: It was earlier, but it has had bad quality and some pretty un-neat bugs [19:16] * Parts: sinstari [19:16] @redist, not that much, the dacs on the alc650 arnt the best [19:16] winXP, 2k, and gentoo on one install here [19:16] BRING SOUNDSTORM BACK! [19:16] aye [19:16] what do you all think of nvidia's support of linux [19:16] lacking atm [19:16] Well [19:16] indeed [19:17] Graphics for linux beats ATI [19:17] espically 2.6 support [19:17] ? [19:17] Linux need hardware support for soundstorm [19:17] ok..havent tried all the new revs at work... [19:17] OliT: ATI actually tried to get 2.6 support [19:17] slask [19:17] "Graphics for linux" is a graphic cards corporation??????????? [19:17] i hope the nvidia guys have a positive answer to my question [19:17] @enforcer, afaik, it does bypass the acl650s analougue to digital convertors [19:17] lol [19:17] im kidding [19:17] and a new board waiting to send to me :) [19:17] OliT: nvidia just backed off and let 3rd parties create patches [19:17] slask [19:17] alright thanks Matrix, and Enforcer [19:17] I miss driver support for nforce2 NIC in freeBSD :/ [19:17] ATI? What is that? ;) [19:17] * Joins: Baker [19:17] A Canadian Corp. [19:18] ATi is the leading gfx manufacturer at the moment ;) [19:18] i01: But Nvidia had decent graphics earlier, didn't they? Linux-support that is [19:18] why hasnt nvidia release their nvnet drivers? [19:18] * Joins: MissinLynx [19:18] LOL! :) [19:18] OliT: they did [19:18] * Quits: Baker (Client Quit) [19:18] * Joins: Baker [19:18] NV 2.4 support worked well for my previous RH install [19:18] @Olit [19:18] OliT: im still waiting for 2.6 support so i can play ET under the power of 2.6 [19:18] linux support isnt top of their list for drivers [19:18] höllö, slask öhhh!! [19:18] and once again: BRING SOUNDSTORM BACK! [19:18] i01: I haven't been involved in the Linux-Nvidia matters, but are you saying they dropped most of it? [19:18] @enforcer, afaik, it does bypass the acl650s analougue to digital convertors <-- yes, which is where most of the noise comes from, but the speedif still goes thru the chip, even tho its just 'a corner' [19:18] What linux distro includes support for nForce2? [19:18] hehe [19:18] OliT: im saying they arnt working on supporting the new linux kernel [19:19] OliT: every body is testing it now [19:19] i01: That's a big shame [19:19] * Joins: nv_sucks [19:19] soundstorm we get your point [19:19] gentoo, but its hard as heck to set up for a noob like me [19:19] Mat128: soon most distros will support the nforce2 nic [19:19] * Quits: nv_sucks (Client Quit) [19:19] OliT: i beleive nvidia should be the first in for 3rd party [19:19] * Quits: Baker (Remote closed the connection) [19:19] * Joins: SRB [19:19] @enforcer, ok cheers [19:19] hasn't this chat started yet then? [19:19] hey seawolf :P [19:19] owdy [19:19] starts at 7:30 [19:19] read topic [19:19] @wolf: gentoo here also [19:19] not yet waiting on scott [19:19] www.bjorn3d.com Chat today at 7:30pm Eastern with the NVIDIA nForce Team !!!!!!! [19:19] Mat128: distros dont support hardware the kernel does [19:19] alrighty guys, chill for a bit because we're having some problems right now [19:19] casser [19:19] CrashMaster: Set the moderated back on :) [19:19] Math128: 2.4.22 has some nforce2 support [19:19] actually it said 7pm [19:19] some, like what? networking at least? [19:20] Mat128: 2.6.0 has the most ive seen [19:20] CrashMaster: Thank u. So I've already won? :) [19:20] and 2.6.0 is included with ______ ? [19:20] Mat128: currently theres not GPL linux driver for nforce2 net [19:20] talking to the wrong person soundstorm [19:20] audio and chipset support, nvnet is bugged, and USB is quirky [19:20] i01: there is indeed one: forceedth [19:20] SoundStorm, being a pestering nusance wont get you free stuff [19:20] Math128: there is a 100% reversed engineered driver for 2.6 in the works, its very unstable and slow [19:20] oh [19:20] carldani: whats the status on it? [19:20] * Joins: srb1313 [19:20] but what's on the nVidia website? [19:20] i01: the thing is not slow and it works even for 2.4 [19:21] I hope this is not a B+M session about audio! [19:21] Mat128: linux kernel 2.6 has support for agpgart, i2c, sound and i think ide [19:21] * Quits: sus|Friamannen ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.73 :: www.XLhost.de )") [19:21] * Joins: Friamannen [19:21] carldani: they said its slow they were having IRQ problems [19:21] http://www.hailfinger.org/carldani/linux/patches/forcedeth/ [19:21] i01: oh, ty [19:21] but what's http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0261 ?? [19:21] carldani: and i looked at the source and its a patch for 2.6 [19:21] i01: IRQ or IRC? [19:21] Psionicist: IRQ [19:21] oh it's for the nForce 1, right? [19:21] Well I got to eat.I aint waiting all night to see if they get this started.It's just going to be the same old song and dance anyway. [19:21] i01: at the website there's a patch for 2.4 and 2.6 [19:22] carldani: cool [19:22] someone buy me some food [19:22] Who are we waiting on? [19:22] Enforcer: But I have the best questions! ;) [19:22] * zaver is now known as IplayCSonmynVIDI [19:22] * Mat128 buys food for Seawolf [19:22] * Hallowed steals wolfs food [19:22] * IplayCSonmynVIDI is now known as zaver [19:22] LOL [19:22] when is this show going to get on the road [19:22] can we speak about the SoundStorm a bit ? [19:22] sure.. what questions do you have? [19:22] gotta wait for NV reps to arrive [19:22] ? [19:22] * MSS says that NVIDIA spokespeople are here [19:22] MrFocus: Oh yeah! :) [19:22] I would like to know why that when you dont have any sound going through the SoundStorm (on Asus A7N8X Dlx rev 2), theres this really high pitched sound that comes out of it ? it's not just me theres alot of people with that question. [19:22] yes, I am here. as is Micah [19:23] Please, go +m now [19:23] voice Nvidia-ppl [19:23] agreed [19:23] Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! [19:23] ok [19:23] go [19:23] hehe [19:23] @mrfocus, mute line in and mic [19:23] Let's do one q at a time. [19:23] +m [19:23] I'll start with Mr Focus, then. [19:23] +m [19:23] -m [19:23] +vvvvvvv srb1313 SRB MSS Guest BDR Loren moverby [19:23] grr [19:23] schnell!!! [19:24] * Parts: NuclearRampage [19:24] its not that hard [19:24] is that the right list ? [19:24] cmon mrfocus [19:24] aller ross [19:24] +m.. we need some order [19:24] focus mrfocus [19:24] let the ops "filter" the questions :) [19:24] yeah ? [19:24] TY [19:24] Let's do one q at a time. [19:24] +m [19:24] I'll start with Mr Focus, then. [19:24] ok [19:24] When do we really start? [19:24] 3:30 [19:24] lets get going ppl [19:24] as soon as scott gets back [19:24] err 7 [19:24] when someone buys me food [19:24] 6 more minutes [19:24] good question [19:25] sorry [19:25] 5 now [19:25] how long is this going to be for? [19:25] * Mat128 buys food for Seawolf [19:25] * Mat128 buys food for Seawolf [19:25] * Mat128 buys food for Seawolf [19:25] this is fake!! [19:25] well theres that annoying sound with the SoundStorm when there hasnt been a sound for 1 minute [19:25] thanks. [19:25] i have a class in 20-30 minutes [19:25] 1:25 am here :( [19:25] * CrashMaster sets mode: +m [19:25] it's not fake [19:25] * CrashMaster sets mode: +o MSS [19:25] which is it? 20 or 30? [19:25] :) [19:25] * MSS says "So the q was: what's the high pitched sound when no sound is playing on ASUS boards" [19:26] The question back to you would be: what inputs, if any, are unmuted? [19:26] * Joins: akius [19:26] well theres that annoying sound with the SoundStorm when there hasnt been a sound for 1 minute <-- thats to do with the DICE [19:26] Those are areas where there can be noise from the system "leaking in" to the APU, and whne it is recorded and amplified it sounds very noisy. [19:26] after n seconds of no audio, the DICE drops off and doesnt send a DD signal [19:27] this is correct [19:27] * Joins: ben_brokenpixel [19:27] prior to that its sending a DD signal, even if there are no sounds playing [19:27] the DDICE setup is turned off in periods of no activity [19:27] * Joins: SwedBear [19:27] yup [19:27] * CrashMaster sets mode: +o akke` [19:27] This is something that we are changing in future drivers, so that it only affects non DD customers. [19:28] ok I think we are getting closer [19:28] * reyawn sets mode: +o SwedBear [19:28] * akke` sets mode: +vvv BDR Loren moverby [19:28] * akke` sets mode: +vv SRB srb1313 [19:28] Does that answer the question for you? [19:28] thanks [19:28] * akke` sets mode: +v Guest [19:28] have one from a friend about Ethernet adapter [19:28] Shoot [19:28] ask the nforce guys what they think about the recently released GPL'ed ethernet driver for there motherboard? since nvidia's release was not GPL [19:28] * akke` sets mode: -o akke` [19:29] * Joins: Topaz-Bjorn3D [19:29] * MSS says "What about the GPL'd ethernet drivers?" [19:29] We don't know that much about it, so we can't recommend it. [19:30] ok, thanks [19:30] * Joins: MrX [19:30] * Joins: mss_nvidia [19:30] One second. MSS just lost connection. [19:31] * Quits: ben_brokenpixel (Client Quit) [19:31] * Parts: plake [19:31] * Joins: el [19:31] * Joins: loki [19:31] ok sorry once again for the delay I think scott had an problem with one of his kids [19:31] * Quits: MSS (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [19:31] * Joins: Jenkens [19:31] * Quits: akke` (Client Quit) [19:31] * Joins: Sandler|BcoP [19:31] at least he has his priorities straight :) [19:32] i told him just to tie them up... [19:32] :) [19:32] * Joins: NuclearRampage [19:32] hey, whatever works :) [19:32] * Quits: jdogg (Client Quit) [19:33] * reyawn sets mode: +o Topaz-Bjorn3D [19:33] ok are we ready? [19:33] its not like anyone can answer you, ya know :) [19:33] * Quits: el (Client Quit) [19:34] I'm ready [19:34] ready here [19:34] * Casper sets mode: +o MissinLynx [19:34] We at NV are ready as soon as mss_nvidia is +v'd again. [19:34] * Joins: Scott [19:34] * Enforcer sets mode: +v mss_nvidia [19:34] * Topaz-Bjorn3D sets mode: +v mss_nvidia [19:34] whe [19:34] whew, that's better [19:34] next question? [19:35] * Topaz-Bjorn3D sets mode: -v mss_nvidia [19:35] * Enforcer sets mode: +o Scott [19:35] * Topaz-Bjorn3D sets mode: +v mss_nvidia [19:35] Will the nforce2 or 3 be going mobile widespread like the IGP from ATI? [19:35] no one else did it... so I did [19:35] :) [19:36] * mss_nvidia says "are we doing mobile NF parts?" I think you are asking? [19:36] * Joins: el [19:36] In any case, we aren't talking about unannounced products on this chat, sorry. [19:36] yeah, that is what I thought too... but that is about all I have recieved [19:37] I currently run a KT600 chipset and I have read the performance between the nforce2 is substantial, what benefits would I be gaining from a change? [19:37] how about htat [19:37] * Parts: cube28m [19:37] fair enough [19:37] :) [19:37] The memory controller and overall latency in NF2 is much, much better than many competing solutions. [19:38] If you did just normal things, like copied files, opened spreadsheets and the like, the system just "feels faster" [19:38] * Joins: indy [19:38] ask those who actually use NF boards side by side with other products, they can tell you first hand./ [19:39] OK LETS SLOW DOWN SOME!! I HAVE AN EMERGENCY WUTH A HURT CHILD. [19:39] ouch! [19:39] scott, take care of what you have to first [19:39] good luck w/ you and your child! [19:39] remember your priorities! [19:39] OK here's one....how come the nForce2 MB ethernet does not set the MAC address properly if you r not using a DHCP server? [19:40] SEND QUESTIONS TO THE ADMINS AND THEY WILL ASK NVIDIA!! [19:40] k [19:40] * Quits: bigapl (Client Quit) [19:40] * Joins: Guest1 [19:40] * Joins: bigapl [19:40] * mss_nvidia "how come the nForce2 MB ethernet does not set the MAC address properly if you r not using a DHCP server?" [19:40] * Quits: pb (Client Quit) [19:41] MAC address should not have anything to do with DHCP [19:41] * Parts: bigapl [19:41] Please hold your new questions for a moment, SwedBear is trying to catch up - Thanks! [19:41] * Quits: Guest3 (Client Quit) [19:41] It sounds as though there may be some other configuration gremlin at work there. [19:42] * SwedBear a bit confused. Scott called me while I was sleeping :). Sorry. Hurt kids are never fun. [19:42] thanks for showing up, SwedBear [19:43] WHile we are catching up - how about a quick introduction from the NVIDIA people we have here? [19:43] * Joins: Guest2 [19:43] sure... I'm the PR Manager for the Platform Group here at NVIDIA. [19:44] I've been here for about 2 and half years now. [19:44] * Joins: pb [19:44] I'm a Product Manager here in the Platform team. Here almost 2 years. [19:44] SORRY TO SLOW THINGS DOWN, A KID OF MONE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN TO STAB ANOTHER IN THE NECK WITH A PENCIL [19:44] This is something that we are changing in future drivers, so that it only affects non DD customers. [19:45] sorry [19:45] OUCH! [19:45] slick one, there Bantha [19:45] :) [19:45] i try [19:45] :) [19:45] ok [19:46] sure... I'm the SW Architect for Integrated Bus Software at Nvidia. Here 2+ years. [19:46] The MAC address issue is likely to be related to the programming of the MAC address of the system BIOS uniquely by the vendor. [19:47] It is possible that a unique address was not programmed into the system BIOS. [19:47] lets start agian (with me asking the questions I have on a list for now I guess) [19:47] ready? [19:47] yep! [19:47] Fire away [19:47] y [19:47] Why are the driver updates so long in coming? (more of a question that was asked in the nv fourms) [19:47] * Joins: knaSen|PC [19:48] * mss_nvidia says " Why are the driver updates so long in coming? " [19:48] This is due to a lot of work we've been doing to fix the UDP (unified package) [19:48] We are making changes that should now allow for better QA and more timely releases [19:49] * Quits: MrFocus (Client Quit) [19:49] which leads to the next question I got [19:49] ok [19:49] Why do nVidia keep insisting on releasing only drivers on UDPs to the nForce2 chipset? [19:49] as in all in ones [19:50] * mss_nvidia says "Why not do independent packages for driver components" [19:50] yeh [19:50] We're considering it. [19:50] :) [19:50] Why so many issues regarding SW IDE drivers and burners? [19:50] Some customers find it easier to get it all in one place. [19:50] sorry ... I guess just say done when your done =-) [19:50] * Joins: Simborg [19:51] * mss_nvidia says why so many issues regarding SW IDE drivers and burners? [19:51] ATAPI devices vary from company to company in spec and configuration. [19:51] This makes QA difficult, so we attempt to test across a broad range of devices [19:52] We'd like to hear exact specs on devices that have problems so we can get those devices and test with them. [19:52] * Quits: Guest2 (Client Quit) [19:52] Adding in to this thread. If you do encounter an issue, if you can provide the exact configuration of your storage devices (primary master, slave. Secondary master, slave) that would help immensely. [19:52] * Quits: SRB ("JWIRC applet") [19:52] * Joins: anCOOL [19:52] Will it be a new IGP chipset? [19:52] You're friendly neighborhood mods at NFHQ can help [19:52] Firmware revisions of the CD-RW drives are especially helpful [19:52] :) [19:52] * Quits: Hallowed (Client Quit) [19:53] * Joins: Hallowed [19:53] * Joins: twinlight [19:53] * mss_nvidia reminds the folks that no unannounced hardware products will be discussed at this forum, thanks :) [19:53] * Quits: Friamannen (Client Quit) [19:54] they want to know where to send the reports to [19:54] thanks mover, its good to hear from you just how important a detailed configuration can be. hopefully everyone will take this to heart in future reports [19:54] (nforcerhq fourms will work also) [19:54] They can put them in the feedback threads seup specifically for IDE issues on www.nforcershq.com/forums [19:55] * Joins: boman [19:55] next q? [19:55] Will it be a new IGP chipset? [19:56] * mss_nvidia says No questions about unannounced hardware, including IGP, this talk. [19:56] unannounced product, crash [19:56] *** reminds the folks that no unannounced hardware products will be discussed at this forum, thanks :) [19:56] heh k [19:56] sorry [19:56] * Quits: SwedBear [19:56] akius> Can you forward a question for me please? Ask if they are doing anything about the lack of driver support for the MCP-T in operative-systems like for example FreeBSD? [19:57] OK DOC HERE PENCIL DID NOT HIT AN ARTERY. SOME STITCHES AND HE WILL BE FINE. [19:57] * mss_nvidia says "Support for MCP-T in non-Windows OS's" [19:57] We have been investigating better support where applicable [19:57] FreeBSD isn't near the top of our list, however. [19:58] I'd like to ask NV if the PCI and AGP busses are locked in the NF3 chipsets. [19:58] * mss_nvidia says "I'd like to ask NV if the PCI and AGP busses are locked in the NF3 chipsets." [19:58] PCI is locked [19:59] AGP can be unlocked with the NV System Utility [19:59] NVIDIA System Utility have you heard if there is going to be much more support for the older Nforce2 motherboards?? [19:59] * mss_nvidia says "have you heard if there is going to be much more support for the older Nforce2 motherboards for NVSU?" [19:59] Well funny you should ask [20:00] I'm on my way to visit customers in Taiwan shortly to ask for just that sort of support [20:00] We believe that as customers (i.e. you) demand it, they will add it on popular, currently shipping boards. [20:00] * Joins: loabanan [20:01] so you will be offloading such support to 3rd parties? [20:01] Regarding NVSU support, what is the effort involved in supporting it. [20:01] or did I misinterpret that? [20:01] The features which don't show up in the "basic" NVSU require bios changes by the motherboard partners. [20:02] They can add the support as they feel comfortable doing so. This is not a lot of work for either NV or the partners. [20:02] * Quits: andersos (Client Quit) [20:02] What OSes are on the top of their lists then? (on the driver support) [20:03] * mss_nvidia says "OS support list by priority?" [20:03] * Joins: k0ngo [20:03] XP, Win2K, Me, 98SE, Linux disto's in order of popularity, then FreeBSD, then Others (Solaris and such). [20:04] I got another question to. When designing a chip, how much do the actual physical ATX motherboard design influence, partically since the you can take the memorycontroller out of the equation. For example some ASUS nForce3 Pro (early?) motherboards have a rather unusual socket placing? [20:05] * mss_nvidia says "How much does chip design impact board layout, and vice versa" [20:05] * Quits: Ei (Client Quit) [20:05] Both impact each other quite a bit. We design chips and boards together, and pass those designs out to each partner [20:05] They can choose to implement the design as we build it, but they can each go off and do their own. [20:06] Obviously, we recommend using our designs, since we validate on them. [20:06] * Quits: CyberScott (Client Quit) [20:06] Will zealously following Creative's EAX spec. further remove audio quirks? Since 3.13, audio in BF1942 no longer breaks up! [20:06] * Joins: CyberScott [20:06] but sound I guess is still an issue with a lot of users [20:07] * mss_nvidia clarify that one please? These are two different issues. [20:07] We attempt to find and fix bugs as soon as we find them. [20:07] heh yeh thats about the point I guess..... [20:07] We also do all we can to be in compliance with EAX in titles, regardless of who writes that code. [20:07] * Joins: CyberSco1 [20:08] A lot of time has been spent on the 3.xx series drivers knocking out audio bugs. [20:08] some people are still complaining about crackling sound ... [20:08] And we're still working on more, obviously :) [20:08] * mss_nvidia says "ah, the infamous crackle" [20:08] is that a myth? [20:08] which I don't have anymore [20:08] We know what causes it on some systems, thus it is fixed for many in 3.66 (3.13 UDP). [20:09] * Joins: CyberSco2 [20:09] Still others continue to have this issue, but we don't see it any longer. [20:09] * Quits: Guest1 (Client Quit) [20:09] question to Nvidia: Not asking about future hardware but what was the exact reason soundstorm was deleted from Nforce 3? [20:09] * Quits: JB_ (Client Quit) [20:09] Getting more detailed specs on the systems that still have the problem would be useful. Again drop info into NFHQ for us :) [20:09] * Joins: bigapl [20:10] * mss_nvidia says "why is SoundStorm gone from NF3" [20:10] That's a tough one. It is a feature we love and many of you love. [20:10] its better than my audigy 1 by far [20:10] Some of our customers, however, don't want to pay for the extra cost if they don't see the same need. [20:11] Again, your feedback to the motherboard partners affects our decisions of what to build. [20:11] * Quits: Kongo (Client Quit) [20:12] Q: Does the nForce APU meet EAX3 and EAX4 requirements? If so can we expect driver support? [20:12] * mss_nvidia says "what about EAX 3 and 4 support?" [20:12] The hardware is capable. The spec is not widely available. [20:13] I would like to support it, but we need some additional information before feeling ready to implement and call something EAX 3. [20:13] Jenkens> hell yes, i get screeching using my scroll wheel! [20:13] [20:08] and mysterious humming from speakers.. regardless of audio being played or not.. [20:13] [20:09] what causes it in "some" systems? [20:14] * mss_nvidia says "misc. audio problems" [20:14] This is interesting, because we don't see those sorts of things here with our boards. [20:14] It would be good to know more about your specific system config. [20:14] hmm check your grounding ..... [20:14] I have seen this on systems that are very slow, malconfigured, or have a really, really bad PCI device and drivers installed. [20:15] * Joins: cube28m [20:15] what information would Nv need for Eax3/4 support? [20:15] You can always try turning off APIC, and USB, make sure you have mem and fsb running in sync. [20:16] I have seen this when your speakers are plugged into a different power outlet than your computer is. [20:16] different ground reference [20:16]