Saddam Hussein to be hanged at 10PM EST tonight!!!

[XJnine]

Where's pay-per-view when you really need it???

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/29/D8MAQ1U82.html

An adviser to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saddam would be executed before 6 a.m. Saturday, or 10 p.m. Friday EST. Also to be hanged at that time were Saddam's half-brother Barzan Ibrahim and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court, the adviser said.

No matter what you think of the war going on over there I think everyone can agree that Hussein finally paying the price for all his atrocities is a welcome sight.

[Bio-Hazard]

That's great news, what I'd give to be there and watch..........;)

[XJnine]

I'd rather be the one pulling the lever that drops him. ;-)

Alot of my friends are/were over there fighting in that war to capture him, a few of them won't be coming home. I'm glad to see this little bit of justice being carried out.

[Bio-Hazard]

He's the reason I'm disabled today, from the first war that should have never stopped when it did.
But I guess if it wasn't that war, it would have been another. Anyway, I'm glad that they aren't keeping him on deathrow for 20 years before they dump him.

[darkorb]

Any way we can watch? :P

[XJnine]

I'm sure the video will turn up eventually. They always do...

This seems to be one of those things that you never really expected to happen. He's been around for so long that it seems weird he'll be gone by midnight. I'm not sad at all, it just seems weird that he'll finally be dead. I almost half expected to see him hosting some late night talk show.

[Tank]

Is it being aired on some satellite channel?
Ahh yes it'll be on Al Jazeera International for those that can view it. :)

[XJnine]

He's dead.....

[darkorb]

shoot i couldnt find a site to watchit live!

[borschtBomber[SS]]

good riddence, about time the ******* got his due.

[s_gibson]

I wish justice was that swift in the US.

I wish they had shown it live. Couldn't have happened to a better person. I'm sure he is beginning his stay in hell right now.

[Null]

Up the 13 steps of the gallows walked the condemned man
And time passes very quickly when death is near
After having completed the first step, the condemned man knew there were but 12 left
Before he would meet death and his soul would leave his body
And after having completed the 13 steps the condemned man was met by a giant cloaked figure
And with a quick flick of the wrist the man was dead
And his soul left his body and went down down down
To a place we laughingly refer to as hell
But none of us will ever go there because we're all far too groovy
--Bachman/Cummings


Oh happy days.

Congrats Task Force 21.

Nice job.

[vfrex]

I don't mean to play devil's advocate. I don't claim that Saddam was a good person. But if more Iraqis die as a result of this war than from Saddam being in power, is he really as great of an evil as we believe? Maybe Iraq needed a brutal leader to keep the country stable.

[Coolest-Tech]

I don't think they really need a harsh leader, but a strong one. But really, it's all your point of view. Bush is a terrorist to other people, and Saddam is for the US and some of the iraqies.

[XJnine]

The people killing themselves (which is happening now) is much different that the government killing them all. The people of Iraq are creating their own violence (along with some outsiders from Iran and Syria) and if they would just stop killing each other their would be far less death than when Saddam was in power. With Saddam in power the Sunni's and Shia's were held in check and weren't killing each other but Saddam was killing them instead and he threw some Kurds in for good measure.

[vfrex]

and if they would just stop killing each other their would be far less death than when Saddam was in power.

Isn't that idealistic? What if they don't stop killing each other? What if history and mounting tensions make these warring cultures continue with no foreseeable end?

[Bio-Hazard]

You can't force people to play nice with each other, maybe one day they'll growup and see that the only ones they're hurting is themselves. But hey, they've been doing it from the begining of time, so why stop now.

[vfrex]

You can't force people to play nice with each other

Didn't Saddam?

[Bio-Hazard]

I guess if you call kill (gassing) along with countless other methods of shutting up hunderds of thousands of your own people making people play nice, I guess he did. Sort of like Tito did back in the Iron Curtain days in Yugoslavia, but only worse.

[mousiness]

all I am is shocked... what the heck the point of this... I feel sympathetic towards Saddam, people loved him during his golden era...

iraq was never and will never be a terrorist country, iraqis are not terrorists, the al qaueda bin laden group from saudi arabia, afghanistan and UAE are... I never saw saddam as a threat and never will, as a matter of fact, he saved iraq, he stopped the sunnis, shiites and kurds from fighting and he only killed terrorists (about 150), while bush is mutilating Iraq and wasting his time and money on it.

IMO saddam is a hero for bringing iraq from the deadly country it once was (1900-1960) to a country with no problems (1960-1980) then he went crazy and started the Iran and Kuwait Wars, then the US stuck their nose in and tried to get attention and now Iraq is right up someones

:jawdrop: I cannot believe this happened... I mean he turned an evil man in the 80's and early 90's but before that he was amaizing, so many accomplishments, bush is a terrorist IMO and I will never respect him nor his party, I hope the democrats do a better job than the republicans

I mean im happy for his death, and so are my parents, but lots more iraqis were killed just trying to find this one person (saddam), the US should have gone straight to the source and mutilated afghanistan and found bin laden

[XJnine]

and he only killed terrorists (about 150),


Are you completely absurd???? Saddam massacred hundreds of thousands of his own people. I heard about the atrocities FIRST HAND from Kurdish refugees we evacuated from Iraq to Guam.


iraq was never and will never be a terrorist country, iraqis are not terrorists,


You're on to something there but you're missing one giant point. The reason we are there is not because the Iraqi's were terrorists but because their government (Saddam's government) supported, encouraged, and provided funding to the terrorists who want to attack us. It's a well known fact that Saddam wanted to see the end of the U.S. He knew from the first Gulf War that he couldn't take us head on so he resorted to supporting operations that could hurt us all while trying to make it look like his hands were clean.

[Bio-Hazard]

Mousiness, you really need to study up on what's going on in the world, I mean really, where have you had your head stuck all your life??????????

You really needed to be in Kuwait (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait) when his Army invaded that country. What they did to those people was enough to hang the butt head a 100 times over. Just the site of all the mutilated and raped wemen and childern was enough to make me want to cut and gut the *******.

[vfrex]

The bottom line is, you can't discuss politics with someone in their young to mid teens.

[Bio-Hazard]

True, he wasn't even born when most of what happened was going on.........;) Let alone there....

7th BN / 158th Aviation - Task Force Freedom - Kuwait 1991

[mousiness]

Mousiness, you really need to study up on what's going on in the world, I mean really, where have you had your head stuck all your life??????????

You really needed to be in Kuwait (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait) when his Army invaded that country. What they did to those people was enough to hang the butt head a 100 times over. Just the site of all the mutilated and raped wemen and childern was enough to make me want to cut and gut the *******.

1- free speech

2- ive read up on him and stories from my parents, as I said, he wrecked iraq by starting wars with kuwait and Iran, before that, he stopped wars, killed terrorists, and gave punishment to people who deserved it, a.k.a his attempted assasinators, in texas they send death sentences all the time, dont tell me that the US or any other country have killed less

EDIT: he never raped anyone... i dont know where you got that, probably bush

[mousiness]

Are you completely absurd???? Saddam massacred hundreds of thousands of his own people. I heard about the atrocities FIRST HAND from Kurdish refugees we evacuated from Iraq to Guam.



You're on to something there but you're missing one giant point. The reason we are there is not because the Iraqi's were terrorists but because their government (Saddam's government) supported, encouraged, and provided funding to the terrorists who want to attack us. It's a well known fact that Saddam wanted to see the end of the U.S. He knew from the first Gulf War that he couldn't take us head on so he resorted to supporting operations that could hurt us all while trying to make it look like his hands were clean.

my parents have lots of kurdish and assyrian refugees as friends (im iraqi) and one of them was held hostage for a few years, he told me lots of stories, I never said he was always good, look at the 60's, he never did anything bad then, the late 70's he turned mad, then from then on he was crazy, but before that he saved Iraq, look at the videos, people gathered in hundreds of thousands just to see him, he WAS a great man at the first decade of his reign, then he went down.

as a matter of fact my dad served for the iraqi army for 2 years because its obligated, he got the last plane out of iraq to bangalore India and thats where he got his Ph.D

my parents have had a rough time too, my moms bachelorate isnt even valid here, while my dad was lucky to get his Ph.D in India, its valid, hes a university professor and has been for the past 30 odd years, me and my parents have lots of history with Iraq and you cant deny that or dump it out the window, youre not Iraqi, you have no idea what its like to be one, nor what its like to be one right now or for the past 30 years

[vfrex]

So let me summarize Mousiness's argument...

Saddam united the country. Ended violence against these divided sects. Then he went crazy and started mass murdering people. BLAME BUSH!

Right?

[s_gibson]

mousiness you really are a funny guy. I think you should do stand up, because you are funnier than Richard Pryor.

Thanks for giving me something to laugh at today :)

Hopefully noone ever treats you or your family like this crazy dictator you seem to be defending did his people or the people in his neighboring countries. That way you can continue to live in that fantasy world of yours and I can get a chuckle out of you ;)

[Bio-Hazard]

1- free speech

2- ive read up on him and stories from my parents, as I said, he wrecked iraq by starting wars with kuwait and Iran, before that, he stopped wars, killed terrorists, and gave punishment to people who deserved it, a.k.a his attempted assasinators, in texas they send death sentences all the time, dont tell me that the US or any other country have killed less

EDIT: he never raped anyone... i dont know where you got that, probably bush
I said his military boy, I was there, I saw the results and I KILLED Iraq soldiers during the war. They were total animals and the head butt head was responsible for their actions.

[mousiness]

mousiness you really are a funny guy. I think you should do stand up, because you are funnier than Richard Pryor.

Thanks for giving me something to laugh at today :)

Hopefully noone ever treats you or your family like this crazy dictator you seem to be defending did his people or the people in his neighboring countries. That way you can continue to live in that fantasy world of yours and I can get a chuckle out of you ;)

i never said he was a good guy, Im trying to make a point that this is inhumane to hang someone even saddam, he has had his share of ups, mostly downs, if you guys want ill stop, I will stop now actually, asa mattare of fact, I even have footage of his hanging and him being dropped, ill link u guys

EDIT: here it is, the whole thing


http://dump.geenstijl.nl/mediabase/8387/abe6ea1c/index.html

[werty316]

Word of advice:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8726/arguingontheinternetiy7.jpg

:dielaffin:

[mousiness]

i wasnt arguing but i have that picture, its hilarious

[werty316]

The main point is that Saddam is getting hanged for his crimes against humanity.

The world is fudged up, and he is gone, so move on.

[mousiness]

i have to admit watching the video was kinda cool though, he killed many people from my area

[darkorb]

that picture is mean :(

[s_gibson]

if you guys want ill stop, I will stop now actually

Dude, don't quit on account of anything I said, it was entertaining and funny to me to read your post and logic :)

[XJnine]

mousiness says:


I feel sympathetic towards Saddam



I never saw saddam as a threat and never will


I mean im happy for his death


he only killed terrorists (about 150)


i have to admit watching the video was kinda cool though, he killed many people from my area

Uhh.... Care to reconcile? You appear to be a walking contradiction and I guess you also used to live with terrorists if we are to believe your earlier statements.

[PP Mguire]

Yes he is a huge immature, way to young, walking contradiction.

Dude why dont you grow up and talk about politics when you understand it?

in texas they send death sentences all the time
They send life sentences more than anything here, yet youve never lived here before. I only remember hearing about 2 death sentences in the 18.5 years ive lived in Texas. If you can count thats all my life.

youre not Iraqi, you have no idea what its like to be one Your not American, and your deffinately not Texan so YOU have no idea what its like to be one. Your damn troops arent over there for a stupid ass president. So you DONT have any idea what its like. So why dont you shut your mouth before you stick both of mine, and all the vets feet in your mouth? Seriously dude, your way to young to talk about politics, so just give it up. Maybe i should have my grandpa whos been in the last part of WWII, and Korea tell you what its like to be American.

[mousiness]

being only in your 20's doesnt mean you can talk like that either, you only have a few years on me and many things you stated were completely incorrect also, nonnetheless you are copying what the others have said, why dont you take that picture into consideration now...

I never said saddam was good or bad, I said he had his ups and downs, MOSTLY downs, read his hisory and see his acomplishements and his completely stupid acts, killing him isnt going to teach him a lesson, torturing him and counselling him will. there are better ways to get someones head straight than just breaking their neck.

EDIT: youre only 19... and you think just because youre 1 year over the voting age limit you can talk like this? wow

[vfrex]

Despite the fact that wasn't directed at me, I'm going to respond to it being 21.

14 = early high school years
19 = early to mid college
21 = late college/early graduate

Whether you like it or not, those are five big years in your intellectual maturity and development. I remember when I was your age. In fact, I've been a member of some online communities from 14 on (even earlier). You think you're old and mature enough now to process things and express yourself as an adult. But I wasn't, and you're not. I've looked back on my postings recently, and have been amazed that I wasn't banned back then. In a few years, you'll probably look back and think the same.

That's not to say that you shouldn't participate in political discussions like this. But you have a lot of people telling you that you're not making sense, yet you're still digging.

[s_gibson]

Haha, don't get me started on how college students are just as ignorant as high school students in most cases. There are high school and college students that have matured. Until people have had to support themselves and eventually support their own family, they are very nearsighted to what is really going on, and the impact of it on them and their future. They have a false sense of what is and isn't good for society based on their limited and narrow views of the world.

Face it many college kids are still into that complete childish defiance and rebellion against parents and government. It is still the cool thing to do to speak out against everything and use the 1st amendment to hide behind when you say something ridiculous. What makes college kids worse in many instances is they do not have the supervision to keep their ignorant behavior in check.

Not to mention many of these professors are just propagandist bookworms and don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Hard to expect students to learn something worthwhile when many professors just want to poison students with their own opinions.

College is overrated and I put so little faith in my diplomas or anyone else’s. What really matters in life is not what you learn in those college classrooms or reading those college textbooks, but what the real world teaches you. The older I get and the more time I spend with raising my children the more I realize just how smart my parents were. I see now how important real wisdom is over that BS schooled knowledge.

Thanks for the link mousi, shame Discovery Channel wasn't invited so we could watch it in 1080i.

[DragonMaster]

No one cares about what each others are saying, I see this as an other fun Mac vs PC thread :sleep2:

I don't know anything about this war, but try to explain me what we heard from the medias, it kind of went away from the original reason they were telling :

-US going in Iraq to find nuclear weapons
-UN telling no to do so, they go anyways
-UN finds no weapons, staying there anyways

[x persons killed, etc. ] (I don't listen to news pretty much, probably missed something)

-Hussein captured
-Hanged

Isn't there something wrong?

[s_gibson]

No one cares about what each others are saying, I see this as an other fun Mac vs PC thread :sleep2:

I don't know anything about this war, but try to explain me what we heard from the medias, it kind of went away from the original reason they were telling :

-US going in Iraq to find nuclear weapons
-UN telling no to do so, they go anyways
-UN finds no weapons, staying there anyways

[x persons killed, etc. ] (I don't listen to news pretty much, probably missed something)

-Hussein captured
-Hanged

Isn't there something wrong?

It is obvious form your post that like you yourself said you don't listen to the news and are misinformed.

[mousiness]

haha im laughing so hard you just said that all my information comes from the news and reading, you said that doing so im getting wrong information, this is too funny, his post is showing all of the major points the war was started

[mousiness]

Despite the fact that wasn't directed at me, I'm going to respond to it being 21.

14 = early high school years
19 = early to mid college
21 = late college/early graduate

Whether you like it or not, those are five big years in your intellectual maturity and development. I remember when I was your age. In fact, I've been a member of some online communities from 14 on (even earlier). You think you're old and mature enough now to process things and express yourself as an adult. But I wasn't, and you're not. I've looked back on my postings recently, and have been amazed that I wasn't banned back then. In a few years, you'll probably look back and think the same.

That's not to say that you shouldn't participate in political discussions like this. But you have a lot of people telling you that you're not making sense, yet you're still digging.

1- age never matters, intelligence is experience

2- if youre going to use all the "good" information about the war dont even bother posting in this thread, as there are so many bad things too

3- there is no way that 5 years brings you enough information from high school to early university to talk about politics

4- you werent even old enough to remember the saddam wars, 4 years old FTW.

EDIT: and yes, one day, one day probably in 10 years I will have the full intelligence, understanding, and facts about this war to laugh at it, it will not happen in 5 years, Ill be too busy with other things in college

I dont se how killing saddam taught him a lesson, he should have been imprisoned, not tortured, violence is not the answer, plus I dont see how killing him did anything to the level of violence in iraq other than bringing closure to the people affected by him at a personal level.

Killing is not a way to solve problems, like said in the quran and in the christian bible. I am basing my opinion religiously, and this certainly was not a religious way, the executers didnt even let saddam finish his final prayers.

although this is mostly a political debate, there has to be some sort of religious connection and personal opinion in it, this is what life is about

as s_gibson said in the first post on this page, its completely true, you cant learn from books, like I said earlier, intelligence is life experience, learning can be skin deep by just memorising in college or university, but the true intelligence lies in the heart of a person

[vfrex]

gibson, ignorant college students may be, but my point was more about the capability to express your view.

Face it many college kids are still into that complete childish defiance and rebellion against parents and government. It is still the cool thing to do to speak out against everything and use the 1st amendment to hide behind when you say something ridiculous.

There are plenty of adults past college age who play the same game. It is convenient to play the age card, but it is becoming increasingly inaccurate. I know plenty of people who fight the government for the sake of it. But I also know many who do not.


What makes college kids worse in many instances is they do not have the supervision to keep their ignorant behavior in check.

For most people, college is about being out on your own for a while. It is learning what you can and can't do. And regarding professors...I see this situation from a very limited scope. I've studied economics, business, and computer science at a liberal, liberal arts schol in liberal MA. My professors all have their opinions, but they do not impose them on us. Maybe it is just my school or the departments I have mostly confined myself to.

College is overrated and I put so little faith in my diplomas or anyone else’s. What really matters in life is not what you learn in those college classrooms or reading those college textbooks, but what the real world teaches you. The older I get and the more time I spend with raising my children the more I realize just how smart my parents were. I see now how important real wisdom is over that BS schooled knowledge.

I don't know what school you went to, but you really missed the point. It was never about what you learn in textbooks. I figured out very early on that virtually none of what I was learning from my textbooks would apply to my life. It is much more about living away from the supervision of your parents, and balancing school and life.

[DragonMaster]

No need to repeat what I said s_gibson, but I'd like to know what's the real thing with the war in Iraq : the cause of this war changed quite a lot of times. (Nuclear weapons story, oil, Hussein killing people, Hussein not liking USA) But, why this guy, there are lots of other dictators killing people in other countries.

Since medias aren't a reliable source of information, what can really give an answer to why did US go in Iraq? At least one person here should be able to tell the reason or we're all arguing on something we don't know about.

[vfrex]

1- age never matters, intelligence is experience

That logic reminds me of a book I just read, "The Smartest Guys in the Room". Ever hear of Jeff Skilling?

[mousiness]

you dont learn everything from books, i dont agree COMPLETELY with what s_gibson said, you learn SOME things in college, these things are facts and sciences, not life experiences, most of your learning comes from the way you were raised, what you have done in your life, your travels, and most of all, the experiences in your life related to everything you do, you learn from your mistakes, ofcourse this is on a social and political level

[vfrex]

2- if youre going to use all the "good" information about the war dont even bother posting in this thread, as there are so many bad things too


What does that mean? Who is that directed at?

3- there is no way that 5 years brings you enough information from high school to early university to talk about politics

It is about maturity and ability to express yourself, and especially in removing emotion and feelings from getting in the way of your arguments. NOT information.

4- you werent even old enough to remember the saddam wars, 4 years old FTW.

Entirely irrelevent to my point, although 1990-1985 = 5

[Das Capitolin]

Sadam was not a good person, and now that he is dead, and we will see how much of an impact his control really had (we have been seeing it for over a year now).

I think it was wrong to invade Iraq, especially against UN command. I think it is a shame that Osama Bin Laden has been almost forgotten because Bush took Sadam in his great bait-and-switch, which has managed to cause more amputee's then any other conflict.

I fear that one day thirty years from now, someone will invade the US and have a very old Bush Jr hanged for war crimes, because that term seems rather relative to the atmosphere of the time period, and any of us can look back at how history has repeated itself.

We should be careful where we throw a stone, because once thrown the stone of war can wait for anyone strong enough to pick it up and throw it back.

[mousiness]

there we go, thats the best post in this thread so far, and its all true, especially the parts about osama bin laden being forgotten about (he is the base for all the terrorism not iraQ) and i do hope bush gets hung for his war crimes, nah, he should be jailed to teach him a lesson, violence and killing him instantly wont do diddly

[vfrex]

there we go, thats the best post in this thread so far, and its all true, especially the parts about osama bin laden being forgotten about (he is the base for all the terrorism not iraQ) and i do hope bush gets hung for his war crimes, nah, he should be jailed to teach him a lesson, violence and killing him instantly wont do diddly

1) Who are you addressing?
2) Why is Bin Laden being the base of all terrorism relevant?
3) Do you know what a run on sentence is?

This is what I am talking about mousiness. It is unclear what you are trying to say to who in most of your posts in this thread.

[Das Capitolin]

I presume he is addressing my post, vfrex.

Also, we should all be aware that dog-piling onto an individual is not welcome here, and will get this thread closed. Be constructive, or PM someone rather than attack them in the open forum.

[DragonMaster]

Bin Laden = base of terrorism, I don't know...
How can we be sure the information is true, war against terrorism started with 911, where Bin Laden is the supposed cause, but then comes the Loose Change movie claiming it's all just for a few person's wallet.

Since we can't be sure of the real 911 facts, the "war against terrorism" thing in Iraq and Afghanistan might be BS as well, since there are lots of other countries where things are worse, but nothing is done. Sounds like there's a reason called "OIL", Afghanistan and Iraq got lots of it.

[PP Mguire]

being only in your 20's doesnt mean you can talk like that either, you only have a few years on me and many things you stated were completely incorrect also, nonnetheless you are copying what the others have said, why dont you take that picture into consideration now... Everything i said is completely correct, if you had any real world knowledge and actualy understood anything you said you would know that everything i said was right and that you, sir, are an idiot. I am not copying anything that anybody has said either. Im merely stating the facts about you being way to young and obviously way to immature to get a grasp at whats really going on. As to the other guy, S_Gibson, im not in college and i am now making more than my mom and my sister combined. I am now pretty much keeping my family together financialy and moraly. I see things like you, college and diplomas arent everything and are merely only a jump start into the real world. This idiot has no idea what hes talking about and keeps on putting everybodies feet in his mouth. One day, he will learn. I am now done with this conversation. Happy holidays to all.

[Enigmachine]

Hussein has been summarily executed for the mass murder of 148 people and nothing else. This was done to avoid more enquiries, arguments and inquests that would only make the country even less stable.

Despite my being against capital punishment, I think there might be a bit of wisdom in this.

All the arguments, facts and fictions posted so far can only make the forum less stable in what should be a time of peace and harmony. So I think this thread should be summarily executed too.

Happy New Year and take care. Be careful if you're driving tonight!

[Miles]

Now if we could get this kind of passion and fervor in our posts regarding computers and computer related subjects we'd be one of the top rated forums on the NET:ahhhhh:

I learned a long time ago not to discuss politics, religion, and sex on an open forum as it only leads to disagreement, hard feelings, and words that are sometimes regretted. I have seen hundreds of these kind of posts and discussions and most turn into a debacle and are closed and people are banned. This one has been handled quite well, actually. Each of you is passionate about your feelings and I defend your right to expound on them...as long as this topic stays clean with no overboard personal attacks we will not close it.

Just remember guys, until someone has walked a mile in each of your shoes they won't truly understand why you feel the way you do. This goes for each and every one of you, so don't judge a person completely by their words until you know that person a bit better, otherwise you may be missing either a chance for a really good friendship or an excellent chance to broaden your own horizons.

[zachig]

Finally this BASTERED got what he deserved!!! :grin: :shaka:

Too bad, regardless of Saddam's execution, that it will take a long time till the Iraqi people will be able to make some order in their land with a democratic government, without all the violence and bombings. :roll:

We already lost TOO MANY soldiers!!! :(

[werty316]

hehe he got owned hehe

[p0lish]

His hanging video taken with a cell phone is out on youtube.

Besides I agree with Miles - politics and religion are very slippery topics. When it comes to hardware it can be all measured and reviewed throughly as opposed to those two topics. Making statements - INTEL > AMD is much easier when you have arguments, test results and expert opinions. Religion and politics topics always turn into a nasty discussion and lead to no good. Why not make a political forum like elitebastards? Since that was created anyone can throw **** at each other which keeps the regular forum safe :)

[XJnine]

We used to have a political forum but I was the only one who ever posted on it. :-(

[vfrex]

Making statements - INTEL > AMD is much easier when you have arguments, test results and expert opinions.

I don't know man. I've seen some pretty nasty Intel vs AMD debates. Its like religion to some people :p

[p0lish]

I did not say it was easy :)
Anyways, we can change our minds as new hardware comes out. It would be kind of awkward to change your religious orientation every time a new messiah shows up.