Next 3DMark will be Windows Vista Only

[Kougar]

The next generation 3DMark will be Windows Vista only, and will require DX10 compliant hardware. You may ask: Why no fallback to DX9 then? Well, we already have a Vista enabled DX9 benchmark (3DMark06) and the last three 3DMarks have all been DX9; 3DMark03 has one test which requires SM2.0, 3DMark05 requires SM2.0 for all tests and 3DMark06 uppers the requirements for two tests to SM3.0. I think both we and the rest of the world are ready to step into the next generation - DX10.

http://www.yougamers.com/blogs/nick_r/ (http://www.yougamers.com/blogs/nick_r/)

[sushrukh]

I just read that a few hours ago.Thanks for the link though Kougs.I think it's for the better sell of Vista coz there are huge people that will always use 3DMarks no matter whatever the platform will be.They'll be forced to buy Vista.

[darkorb]

ah man, i guess ill have to format to vista :P

[PP Mguire]

Since i dont particularly care about 3dmark of benchmarking for that matter guess it dosent matter to me. Just another way of forcing to give M$ some cash.

[sushrukh]

Ya, i also won't buy any OS just to run a software.MS looks like joined hands with Futuremark to increase the Vista sells margin that's not impressive compared to XP.It's interesting though how the SM4.0 only benchmark (3dMark2007) will look like.

[Kougar]

Look at it this way. Is there really any point in making a new 3dmark if it doesn't mandate DX10 hardware testing, for example as you said SM4.0 benchmarking? By his arguement the last three versions of 3dmark use DX9.

[sushrukh]

Look at it this way. Is there really any point in making a new 3dmark if it doesn't mandate DX10 hardware testing, for example as you said SM4.0 benchmarking? By his arguement the last three versions of 3dmark use DX9.

Ya, Kougs his last three benchmarks use Dx9.I agree,but to run those benchies u could use either XP or Vista.Atleast there were some choices but the 3D Mark 2007 is only limited to only one OS.Isn't that a limitation ?

It's true that the new software should support the Dx10 or Vista but in my opinion that also should be capable of atleast some backward compatibility with the older OS (XP) that most of its users are still using.They'll be somewhat forced to buy Vista for that if they wanna run the 3D Mark07.

[XJnine]

I can see why they're doing it. If you were to allow 3DMark07 to run on WinXP the scores wouldn't be compatible with the scores from Vista since Vista can do DX10 and XP cannot. 3DMark07 on XP would be another DX9 benchmark of which they've already made three.

The only reason it would make sense to release 3DMark07 on XP is if Microsoft releases DX10 for XP, if they're even able to do that.

[SwedBear]

Come on guys. How on earth can anyone have any conspiratory theories about this? DX10 is on Vista only and if Futuremark was to release a new benchmark they of course want DX10 since they already have their DX9 benchmark. So going Vista only is natural.

and to be honest I think the amount of people that would upgrade to Vista just because of a benchmark are quite small. maybe some geeks who just have to brag about their fast cards but the majority upgrade (or not9 due to other considerations.

I wish they released it pronto as I whant to start benching DX10 cards in DX10.

/B

['Amp!']

DO you guys realize what this mean?!!?!?!

This could very well be the very FIRST dx10 ONLY app in existence. This could prove very interesting. If they somehow set it up to mimic the tests in mark06 then we could test the DX10 performance on a card versus its DX9 performance.

I know I may be reaching here but it is pretty cool that a DX10 only app is coming seeing how game developers wait for a huge install base.

Now if a DX9 card was allowed to run mark 07 that would be useful too as it would help give us a clearer picture about the demands DX10 MAY have on current hardware. Not that my 7900gt would RUN DX10 (of course thats impossible) but to give an apple to apple comparison of an app running through D3D10 SDk and the DX9 sdk.

Did any of that make sense? :lol:

[Kougar]

Well, it was already said above: Shader Model 4 is only on DX10, and DX10 is only on Vista. Therefore 3dmark07/08 can only be for Vista.

The Gonz, there were a couple games they were Vista or DX10 only coming out. Ah, here's the list. Alan Wake doesn't require DX10, but it does require Vista, strangely. That was off of their development forums from one of their guys. Halo is of course MS, and MS is of course going to want to show off DX10...


Age of Conan - (w/patch)
Alan Wake - (DX10/Vista Required)
BioShock (Ships with dual-support)
Company of Heros - (w/patch)
Crysis - (Ships with dual-support)
Eve Online - (w/patch)
Halo 2 - (DX10/Vista Required)
Hellgate: London - (Ships with dual-support)
Flight Simulator X - (w/patch)
Unreal Tournament 3 - (w/patch)

[peti1212]

I heard that people who bought Dell computers had Vista on them, you know since when it came out, but since so many people were arguing about the compatibility issues and all the junk that Vista has, Dell changed back to XP. Is that right, at least that's what I heard. The people said that they liked the look of Vista but nothing else.

[XJnine]

Dell didn't 'switch back' to XP but they did bring back the option of having XP installed on their new computer instead of Vista. I think it makes sense. Some people may be buying a new computer but they don't want to have to buy a new printer or scanner because their old one isn't Vista compatible.

[sushrukh]

Age of Conan - (w/patch)
Alan Wake - (DX10/Vista Required)
BioShock (Ships with dual-support)
Company of Heros - (w/patch)
Crysis - (Ships with dual-support)
Eve Online - (w/patch)
Halo 2 - (DX10/Vista Required)
Hellgate: London - (Ships with dual-support)
Flight Simulator X - (w/patch)
Unreal Tournament 3 - (w/patch)


Thanks Kougs 4 the game list.I was just trying to say about these b4 called the dual Support which means we can run them both in XP & Vista.

[Kougar]

Aye, dual support means you can run them on either XP or Vista. Just keep in mind that if installed on XP that means it will become a DX9 based install and will lose whatever "extras" the game uses to make use of DX10. You can see the difference with Age of Conan here: Link (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/487/1/) I am sure everyone's already seen the before/after rendering of Flight Sim X with DX10 I think.

[SwedBear]

They probably will not make it the same as 3dmark06 though although they might use some of the scenes and expand on them (like they did from 3dmark05 to 3dmark06). In the background though things will be fundementally different so i dont think there is any way to compare a DX9 card and a DX10 card between 3dmark06 and 07.

We should start to see the first DX10 stuff in games pretty soon. Mostly patches to existing games but I know at least one release of a game that has been completely rewritten for DX10.

I recently saw a presentation on Dx10 and I must say it is pretty impressive. MS really has listened to games developers when making the upgrade. It's a bummer they choose to only do it in Vista (although a week ago I heard about someone trying to ports it to XP) but that's progress I guess. DX9 will be around for a long time so it's not like people are being left behind yet.

/B

[zachig]

I'm damn sure I'm gonna install windows vista on my soon-to-be-built new rig (;-)) and I really wonder how good my 8800GTX will perform with with the new 3DMark...

But I'm still disspointed that no DirectX 10 games have been released yet...:frown: And especially my most-desired DirectX 10 game, ALAN WAKE, which is probably gonna be released only on 2008...:frown:

I think that buying that 8800GTX was a bit too rush (just to remind you, I've had TWO 7900GTs before that...)

[darkorb]

What you do with your 7900's, i wouldnt mind a pair :P

Would a new CPU/Graphics card be a better upgrade in general for 3dmark06, and overall gaming performance? x2 3800+ or 8800gts 320mb in my case :P

[zachig]

What you do with your 7900's, i wouldnt mind a pair :P

Would a new CPU/Graphics card be a better upgrade in general for 3dmark06, and overall gaming performance? x2 3800+ or 8800gts 320mb in my case :P
Regarding the 7900GTs, I've already sold them, my friend...sorry...:icon_tiphat:

Now, I think you'll benefit more from a 8800GTS, as the gaming and 3DMark performance difference will increase more significantly when moving to a 8800GTS then upgrading to X2 3800+, unless you'll upgrade your CPU to a X2 6000+, or even better, to a C2D E6600...;-)

[werty316]

Like zachig said, you would benefit more from getting a GPU upgrade; more so since S939 is caputs.

[zachig]

Like zachig said, you would benefit more from getting a GPU upgrade; more so since S939 is caputs.
EXACTLY :lol: (THX werty...;-):icon_tiphat:)

[Null]

Leadtek 8800GTX @ 630/2100

I sure am glad you put that in bold so I wouldn't miss it. ;-)

[PP Mguire]

Robert we already agreed what your getting dude, stick to it man.

As for this thread WHOA.
I didnt mean for my one judgemental post to go so out there.

I understand that the new 3dmark can only be on Vista beacsue its DX10 only which of course would be Vista only. But as for the dual release games, just proves my point that im sure they could have made a DX10 for XP.

[Kougar]

I think you missed the point of what a dual release game is. It means the game will lose a good deal of eye candy and extra effects under XP compared to Vista.

I agree with MS's statement that I'd rather they focus on getting DX10 to work great in Vista, then divide their time between trying to get DX10 ot work in both Vista and XP. I won't deny it is possible to turn XP into something capable of running DX10, but it would not have been a simple matter as with other DX updates in the past.

[PP Mguire]

I think you missed the point of what a dual release game is. It means the game will lose a good deal of eye candy and extra effects under XP compared to Vista.I know exactly what it is, means that its still somewhat backwards compatible.