Finally...my new rig is up and running

[zachig]

Hi guys!

I've finally installed my new mobo, CPU and mem (P5N-E/E6600/XP2-8500). :grin:

Everything is running fine and smooth, on Windows Vista Ultimate...;-)

I think it'll take me a few more days till I'll finish installing everything. I mean some "small" important applications that I'm using, like burning programs, Video Codecs, etc...

Anyway, I'll start overclocking a bit, only in a few days (sorry, tyle06...:lol:).

Currently I'm just running with everything at stock/AUTO, except for the mem voltage that I upped to 2.25V, just to be sure I'll be stable.

Now, I've checked with CPU-Z and currently my mem timings are: 23-31-5-5-5-2T running in 2:3 ratio, meanining the memory is currently running in 800MHz (Yeah, I know the "AUTO" timings are BAD...:redface:)

What do you say, how can I improve my timings, at first, without overclocking??? as I told you already, I'll start overclocking only in a few days, but for the meantime, I want better performance of the RAM. ;-)

Oh, and one more thing, BOTH in BIOS and ASUS-Probe, my CPU temps read 39-40C (Idle) and Motherboard temp 60C (!!!). Is it normal??? Don't forget I'm using CoolerMaster Hyper 6+ CPU Cooler and Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II for the NB Chip (with AS5...;-)).

Any advice will be appreicated! :icon_tiphat:

[THRASHER2]

Where are the Pic's ;-)

[zachig]

I'm sorry for not posting any pics, as I was soooo in a rush to finish everything and now everything is already installed and Case is "locked" :lol:.

Myabe later on, I'll take some pictures and share 'em with you...;-)

Any advice on my current settings/configuration?

[sushrukh]

Glad to know u got it working Zach but i can say that ur mobo temp is way too high.Asus board's temps rover within 25-50C but 60C ,it's abnormal.Try MBM5 to check the mobo temp.

[zachig]

Glad to know u got it working Zach but i can say that ur mobo temp is way too high.Asus board's temps rover within 20-40C but 60C ,it's abnormal.Try MBM5 to check the mobo temp.
Yeah, I also suspect it's way too high. I'll try some other monitoring programs, but so far BOTH ASUS Probe and BIOS show the same, 60C...:frown:

I know that those 650i run VERY hot, but still 60C...I don't know...:ahhhhh::frown:

UPDATE:

Just installed latest BIOS 0604 and checked temps again: CPU at 40C and MB at 57C. I've heard/read that some people are getting an increase in their MB temp, only by moving from WinXP to Vista...and don't forget I'm running Vista now.

Guys, please advise, as I hope everything is OK. I'm really NOT in the mood to open my case again to check what's wrong and I'm pretty sure I've applied the Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II NB Cooler properly (or maybe not?) PLEASE ADVISE regarding my HIGH temp the Motherboard (57C !!! :frown:).

I've also configured my Mem Timings to 4-4-4-12@2T with DDR Voltage of 2.25V.

Everything looks stable so far, but I'll run MemTest later on, just to be sure and hopefully I won't be surprised with some errors. I've also tried running in "linked" mode, with 1066Mhz speed for my RAM, but all I could get is a LONG BEEP...:lol:

I'll keep you updated...waiting to hear some more opinions/suggestions regarding my high MB temp...;-) (Oh...and one more thing that might be important...the ambient temps here at home, in Israel, are around 30C right now...)

[darkorb]

the P5N-E is known to have very high temps on it

do u have a heatsink on the SB?

[zachig]

the P5N-E is known to have very high temps on it

do u have a heatsink on the SB?
Yeap, I've applied a passive aluminum heatsink to the SB with AS5 underneath...;-) And like I've already mentioned, I also have an active cooler on the NB. :grin:

So far no crashes nor any other problems that might point to high temps, but I just want to be sure it's OK, since from what I've read so far, most people with the same mobo, never reach above 42C, for the mobo temp, except one person that has the same ambient temps as me (30-32C) and he got "only" 52C, and I'm reaching 57!!! :frown:

[peti1212]

I honestry don't know what's wrong Zach, but the temperature does seam really high. I have a ASUS motherboard, and the temperature goes up from like 37C to like 48C. Good luck figuring out what's wrong. ;-)

[Bio-Hazard]

That's a little warm I'd say, but you are living in a hot area. Just to be on the safe side, I'd pull the NB cooler and check out the contact patch. I'm running ambient temps well into the high 20's during the day (27 is the highest I've seen) in my computer room and my NB cooler gets pretty warm, but no where near 50c.

[zachig]

That's a little warm I'd say, but you are living in a hot area. Just to be on the safe side, I'd pull the NB cooler and check out the contact patch. I'm running ambient temps well into the high 20's during the day (27 is the highest I've seen) in my computer room and my NB cooler gets pretty warm, but no where near 50c.
Thanks...I guess I don't have a choice and in the next day or two, I'll have to pull out the NB cooler and check if it's touching the NB chip properly. I really don't want to do it, but I guess I just have to, just to feel safe...what do you say...or should I keep it like that...

Another thing, I let the system rest (shutdown) for at least 15 minutes and when I powered it on the MB temp idled at 39C, but after 10 minutes in Vista, it's already 55C now...:frown: (CPU currently at 38C).

So do you think that it might be related to the NB cooler (I don't see any other reason...)???

[Bio-Hazard]

Check to see where exactly the probe is on the MoBo that takes the readings for the temp, it could be that there is hot air blowing over it from one of the coolers. If it's in the area of the NB and it's not being cooled properly, that will raise the temp of your MoBo as well.

I guess I'm lucky yo have the case that I do, with the triple radiator sitting right infront of the MoBo, my MoBo temps stays at the exact same temp as ambient............:)

[Bio-Hazard]

Thanks...I guess I don't have a choice and in the next day or two, I'll have to pull out the NB cooler and check if it's touching the NB chip properly. I really don't want to do it, but I guess I just have to, just to feel safe...what do you say...or should I keep it like that...

Another thing, I let the system rest (shutdown) for at least 15 minutes and when I powered it on the MB temp idled at 39C, but after 10 minutes in Vista, it's already 55C now...:frown: (CPU currently at 38C).

So do you think that it might be related to the NB cooler (I don't see any other reason...)???

The reason that your temp in Vista is going up may have something to do with all the different processes that are going on in Vista and the PC is never really sitting idle. I'm not completely sure about this as I don't own Vista, just a thought, might want to check all what's running in the background while it's just sitting there.............:-D

[zachig]

Thanks. :grin: Hot air blowing on the sensor, that might be the reason. I'll check that as well. Right now, I don't have time to deal with it and pull out the mobo and everything. I guess I'll HAVE TO DO IT eventually, but only in a couple of days, unless (and I hope not) I'll run into serious problems...:frown:

[sushrukh]

Is the mobo temp stays lke that in the Bios too ? I mean try staying in the Bios for 15 mins & see if the temp rises there.Just to be sure that Vista isn't the culprit ,stay in Bios for some time & look if temp are rising or not.If it rises,then you have to open the case my friend.Asus does have a hardware temp monitor chip called Asus ASIC.Make sure this chip is getting some cooling.If your case offers attaching more fans,then attach as many as you can.If temp doesn't rise much in Bios,then do what Bio has suggested.I mean, check the background applications you r running.

[zachig]

Is the mobo temp stays lke that in the Bios too ? I mean try staying in the Bios for 15 mins & see if the temp rises there.Just to be sure that Vista isn't the culprit ,stay in Bios for some time & look if temp are rising or not.If it rises,then you have to open the case my friend.Asus does have a hardware temp monitor chip called Asus ASIC.Make sure this chip is getting some cooling.If your case offers attaching more fans,then attach as many as you can.If temp doesn't rise much in Bios,then do what Bio has suggested.I mean, check the background applications you r running.
Thanks sush! ;-)

[tyle6]

VISTA is not the culprit i run X64 ultimate and i am in a 30 degree area here right now
plus i have a room with black walls NO AC it sits about 32 degrees in this room in the day and i only run at 42 on the mobo and 36 on the cpu thats 1200mhz FSB and 1000 ram now mind you i was overheating lastnight after some instense battlefield a weeee bit but hey the rooms 32 freakin degrees check your paste adn all the conections on the CPU coolr and NB are the fans connected even? i have had a prob once with something like this i reset BIOS and VOILA! Sorry to hear about the trouble let me know when your up!

[zachig]

VISTA is not the culprit i run X64 ultimate and i am in a 30 degree area here right now
plus i have a room with black walls NO AC it sits about 32 degrees in this room in the day and i only run at 42 on the mobo and 36 on the cpu thats 1200mhz FSB and 1000 ram now mind you i was overheating lastnight after some instense battlefield a weeee bit but hey the rooms 32 freakin degrees check your paste adn all the conections on the CPU coolr and NB are the fans connected even? i have had a prob once with something like this i reset BIOS and VOILA!
Thanks for the info tyle6, I'll check both the Thermal Paste under the Cooler and I'll also try to reset the BIOS. Hope it will help...:frown:

[Bio-Hazard]

If Both the CPU and NB coolers are getting warm to the touch and both are reporting good temps, they shouldn't be the cause of the heat problem, no need to pull them off if you don't have to.................;) No need to create work for yourself when you have so little spare time as it is.
You may just happen to have a hot spot right where your temp probe is, and come to think of it, you have a monster video card that exhausts some of it's warm air inside the case............might be the cause of the problem right there.
So along with your video card and running Vista Utimate and all it's highend graphics, it really works the video card which in turn heats up the inside the case. That explains why you get good temps before you go into Vista and things heat up shortly after you're in..............:icon_tiphat: Just blame Vista and Areo ................:jawdrop:

[zachig]

If Both the CPU and NB coolers are getting warm to the touch and both are reporting good temps, they shouldn't be the cause of the heat problem, no need to pull them off if you don't have to.................;) No need to create work for yourself when you have so little spare time as it is.
You may just happen to have a hot spot right where your temp probe is, and come to think of it, you have a monster video card that exhausts some of it's warm air inside the case............might be the cause of the problem right there.
NOW, that calms me down a bit!!! :lol: If it was only 100% true, I'm still afraid it's something else...:frown:

By just observing the NB cooler, it looks like it is attached properly. Now I've touched both the CPU and NB Cooler and they are warm, especially the NB Cooler, but I can still put my finger on it...:wink:

It there a way to monitor only my NB Temp (and/or SB temp), as currently I'm using only the BIOS monitoring, Everest, and Asus Probe, and they all show only CPU and Mobo, but NOT the NB temp...:frown:

So...what do you say, Steven?

EDIT:

I just saw your last remark Steven, so that's what I'm gonna do just now. Shutdown and let everything cool down, and then, I'm gonna enter the BIOS, like sushrukh also suggested and stay there for at least 15-20 minutes and see if it still going up to 60C. :grin:

I'll keep you updated...THX :icon_tiphat:

[tyle6]

well with no load in bios your obviously not going to hit those temps.(id hope not atleast)
but again how would only an OS cause so much heat ? does the 8800 run that hot? that is what your running right? how is the airflow in genereal in your case? i just dont see how aero could cause anything to get that hot if its being cooled with aftermarket products? my cards def heat up from aero but they dont get real hot till a good run of gaming. and thats in vista ultimate. jme. HAH a new one for the LIST. JUST MY EXPERIENCE.

[Bio-Hazard]

well with no load in bios your obviously not going to hit those temps.(id hope not atleast)
but again how would only an OS cause so much heat ? does the 8800 run that hot? that is what your running right? how is the airflow in genereal in your case? i just dont see how aero could cause anything to get that hot if its being cooled with aftermarket products? my cards def heat up from aero but they dont get real hot till a good run of gaming. and thats in vista ultimate. jme. HAH a new one for the LIST. JUST MY EXPERIENCE.
LOL.....You're not running the type of card that zachig is running either, all those visual effects generate a ton of heat and the stock cooler dumps some of it's heat directly into the case. All the after market coolers in the world aren't going to keep the MoBO temp from going up if the heat from the card is dumping onto or around the probe.........:icon_tiphat:. Easiest way to check this out is to turn off all the Vista effects and let it idle in the basic mode for a while and check to see if the temps go up or down, pretty simple check really.
And to go anong with everything else, zachig is also running a case that has a fromt door (at least the one's I saw on TT web site have them) and they also only have 1 intake and 1 exhaust, not the best for cooling a hot running system................:ahhhhh: And he's got a warm one that's for sure.

[tyle6]

crazy. i am def. not running no 8800. scott wont ship to canda:frown: anyways now i want to know if this is the card dumping all that heat onto the sensor.

[sushrukh]

If his temp are rising even in the idle or in the Bios then there's only 2 possibilities ----

1) Improper contact b2in the Arctic Silver,cooler & the chip.

2) His GTX is blowing that hot air onto Asus ASIC.

If it's the case two,then i don't know what he'll do.I donno if he has attached the rear exhaust fan which will suck up atleast some hot air & throw it out of the case.

[tyle6]

speaking of throwing hott air out anyone know where to get a high flow 14cm case fan? and whats the highest cubic feet a minute anyones seen in a 12cm? i aswell only have on in and one out beside the and one side mount for cooling my cards with a 12cm should i be blowing right on them or sucking out there you think? right now i need a better coolign setup myself. a quality 14cm has been elusive so far. and the one thats in right came with case and is no good at all.

[sushrukh]

The front fan/fans should blow the air inside the case & the rear fan/fans should do the just opposite(they should exhaust the hot air from the case to the outside).

[werty316]

As mentioned one reason for the higher than expected temps could be the Aero theme in Vista Ultimate as it does put a small amount of load because of its fancy effects and animation.

If you plan on checking the Extreme Spirit II to see if is is mounted correctly I would sugggest you install the stock NB cooler and see what temps you'll get.

I would have opted for a different NB cooler since the total surface area and the overall size of the TT Extreme Spirit is quite small and along with that it uses a 40mm fan that doesn't do much interms of blowing a sufficent amount of air.

These pics explain everything:
http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Cooler/VGAnCHIPnMEM/cl-c0034/+034_image/slide0019_image020.gif
http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Cooler/VGAnCHIPnMEM/cl-c0034/+034_image/slide0019_image024.gif

Other than that you pretty much have every set at stock settings.

[Xero (1)ne]

Zach idk if this would help but with my experience with Vista and temperature monitoring, it detected my videocard at 27*c under load. Remember that Vista denies access to hardware, so there are bound to be some problems with temperature monitoring.

The warm northbridge I can't really help you with, except mabey put a fan on it. My NB is cooled by a Zalman NB47J, and I attached the fan that came with my old NB-HSF onto it using those twisty ties that keep your bread from falling out of the bag. :lol: But it works because my NB is at 29*c right after some hardcore Oblivion. ;-)

And for memory timings, the only advice I can give to you is HAVE PATIENCE, and only make one change at a time. You can set it to manufacterer's recomended settings, and then slowly tighten them from there. It also might help if you have your case open to clear the cmos anytime you cant get into the bios from a timing being too tight.

Btw, nice rig you got :icon_tiphat:

[werty316]

Also forgot to mention try using Speedfan and CoreTemp to monitor your temps.

[tyle6]

zack PM me for some timing i have them coming out my wazzooo i actually have little notes LOL stuck everywhere with them on them confuses the f**k out of my friends who dont know anything about computers. LOL. try 5-4-4-9@2t 1000mhz i find is UBERSTABLE try these alphas with that speed and timing.
tRRD-6
tRC - 13
tWR- 11
tWTR- 10
tREF- auto
tRD- 11
tRFC- auto

I have nothin more then a high flow 40mm attached to the stock north bridge blowing air right down on it pics later i find this amazing droped my temps 6 degrees(the fan)

[werty316]

I recommend you leave everything to "AUTO" and only change the Tcl/cas, Trcd, Trp, and Tras.

If you don't know what the other memory timings do you'll only get headaches.

EDIT: Any special reason why you are using dimm slots 2 & 4? Does your Hyper 6+ block dimm slot 1?

[tyle6]

as already said if your not shure of these timing leave them alone. that being said there is a nice little definition for all of these in your P5N-E manual pages 2-28 to 2-29 chapter 2: bios settings. good place to start learning there definition. ... and as far as i have heard this bopard perfroms best with the ram in the black dimms. hears a link to some good discussion on this board http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=29&threadid=1972653&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=178&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

[Bio-Hazard]

I recommend you leave everything to "AUTO" and only change the Tcl/cas, Trcd, Trp, and Tras.

If you don't know what the other memory timings do you'll only get headaches.

EDIT: Any special reason why you are using dimm slots 2 & 4? Does your Hyper 6+ block dimm slot 1?
Agreed, auto seems to work very well for the most part on everything other than the ones you noted..........:icon_tiphat:

[tyle6]

And Finally I get around to some pictures heres on of my home made active cooling on the NB seems to work well and got to love that CPU coooler LOL thing is as loud a jet engine with that fan spinning at 4200rpm

[zachig]

I recommend you leave everything to "AUTO" and only change the Tcl/cas, Trcd, Trp, and Tras.

If you don't know what the other memory timings do you'll only get headaches.

EDIT: Any special reason why you are using dimm slots 2 & 4? Does your Hyper 6+ block dimm slot 1?
Like already said, ASUS recommends using slots 2 & 4 (the BLACK slots) for better stability. In addition, A LOT of people are reporting instability issues when using the YELLOW slots, that why I decided to use the BLACK slots. SIMPLE AS THAT. ;-)

Now, I was having nightmares yesterday evening, as in addition to the VERY HIGH temps on the mobo, I faced another problem.

After installing the Graphics Drivers, I've noticed that whenever I FULLY SHUTDOWN the PC (through the RED Shutdown button in VISTA), in most cases (70-80%) the system just gets a blank/black screen without fully shutting down the PC...:frown:

Waiting for a few seconds, so maybe it'll eventually shutdown, I start to get a LONG and STRONG BEEP from the Video Card. And all I can do is POWER OFF the system from the PSU!!! :frown:

After reading about it, I saw that A LOT of people having the same problem...It seems that VISTA has some problems in it's Power Management. It looks like it shuts down only some voltages, while causing the Video Card to get LOW voltages, resulting in the STRONG BEEP I'm getting.

Trying to uninstall nVidia Drivers, caused me a lot of problems, as after that I wasn't even able to connect to the internet and started having problems with my Audigy 2 Sound Card as well.

So...I had to reformat and re-install Vista.

Now, the situation is as follows:

1) I've re-installed vista, and AGAIN, facing this SHUTDOWN problem.
2) I'm still having these HIGH temps on the mobo.

So...I insist keeping VISTA and not to go back to WinXP (in WinXP, system shuts down perfectly...).
So...I guess I'll have to "live with it", till a solution will appear.
Right now, if I want to Shutdown, I must select "Restart" instead, and right after the system restarts, press the "Power Button" for a few seconds to completely shut down my PC. It looks like the ONLY solution at the moment...:frown:

Regarding the HIGH temps on the mobo, I've checked also in the BIOS, and after staying in the BIOS for over 30 minutes, the mobo temp reaches 58C as well...:frown:

I guess that for the meantime, I'll have to live up with these problems (although I know it's a bit dangerous) but so far I haven't enountered any crashes nor freezes due to the VERY HIGH temps...;-)
I've also ran 3DMark06 and MemTest86+ and so far, no problems at all...

Maybe it's just my MOBO sensor being faulty, I don't know...

Later on, I'll try to open my case door and blow air using a VERY BIG FAN/VENTILATOR I have at home, to see whether it is related to BAD airflow inside the case, and I suspect THIS IS the case...:frown:

It this is the case, I'll have to think later on how to improve my airflow and/or to add more fans.

I've touched the NB Cooler with my fingers and IT IS pretty HOT (I can only put my fingers for a few seconds without getting burnt...:lol:).

I've checked also the SB and it's pretty cool...;-)

AGAIN, I'm pretty sure I've attached the NB Cooler properly, but I won't have a choise, I'll try in the next few days to take out the mobo and have a look again...:frown:

Any more suggestions/advice will be appreciated...:icon_tiphat:

[darkorb]

wow that really sucks man

[zachig]

OK, UPDATE:

1) Regarding the "Shutdown" problem, I guess I'll leave it for the time being as I don't find it so critical, and it seems that a lot of people having the same problem, so I'll just have to wait for a fix.

2) Now, regarding my HIGH MB temps, it seems that I found the cause for it...:grin:

I removed the side door and attached a REALLY HUGE FAN/VENTILATOR working at full speed and let the system work (both in BIOS and in VISTA) and guess what??? MB Temps kept being on 39-40C!!! :grin:

It seems that I have a VERY SERIOUS Air Flow problem inside my case, so now I just need to find out how to improve it...:frown:

I can tell you that currently I have one 120mm in front of my case, blowing air in, and I have 92mm fan at the side door exhausting air out.
In addition, I have at the back a 120mm fan exhausting air out and also the 80mm Mushkin PSU fan exhausting air out...

Now, I've tried to arrange my cables a bit, without success (temps are still high), so I guess I'll need to add more fans.

For the beginning, I think I'll have to add additional 120mm Fan to the side door, but now the question is, what do you think will be better? Should it exhaust air out or blow air in???

Please advise, as I don't want to keep these High temps for long...;-)

(The HUGE FAN/VENTILATOR I used, was blowing air in, but it's VERY HUGE and I really can't keep it all the time...:frown:)

I guess that even if I'll manage to drop down temps by 5-10 degress, I'll be much more calm...;-)

Waiting for your suggestions/advice...:icon_tiphat:

[Bio-Hazard]

The problem with your air flow is that you have a extreme negitive pressure system going, that means next to zero fresh air coming into the case and what's in there is being sucked out by all your exhaust fans. The front fan that you have has extremely limited flow due to the front door on the chassis.
Simple solution, turn the side panel fan so that it's blowing air into the case.

[westy87]

I was going to suggest that exact same thing, to have side fan blowing cool air over the mobo.

Also, this might be a long shot, but have you tried enabling hibernate mode, and instead of "Shutting Down", try "Hibernating". You never know, it might work.

[tyle6]

for the power issue with the video card try upping the vista power scheme to "high performance" found this helped with response on load up and shut down for me just go to power options in control panel and switch it over. fiddle with all three or create a custom to see if you can get it shuting down right.

[zachig]

The problem with your air flow is that you have a extreme negitive pressure system going, that means next to zero fresh air coming into the case and what's in there is being sucked out by all your exhaust fans. The front fan that you have has extremely limited flow due to the front door on the chassis.
Simple solution, turn the side panel fan so that it's blowing air into the case.
Yeah, I guess this is the case...:frown:

Anyway, I've already tried to turn the side panel fan, but it didn't make any difference. That's why I'm thinking on Drilling a 120mm hole in my Windowed-Side-Door and adding another 120mm fan to blow some more air into the case...:grin:

I hope I'll find the time to do it during this week or maximum till next weekend...THX for you advice guys...I'll keep you updated. ;-)

for the power issue with the video card try upping the vista power scheme to "high performance" found this helped with response on load up and shut down for me just go to power options in control panel and switch it over. fiddle with all three or create a custom to see if you can get it shuting down right.
I thought about it and I'll definitely give it a try...I'll let you know how it goes, though I'm a bit skeptic about it...:frown: (nothing personal...:icon_tiphat:)

[Bio-Hazard]

Yeah, I guess this is the case...:frown:

Anyway, I've already tried to turn the side panel fan, but it didn't make any difference. That's why I'm thinking on Drilling a 120mm hole in my Windowed-Side-Door and adding another 120mm fan to blow some more air into the case...:grin:

I hope I'll find the time to do it during this week or maximum till next weekend...THX for you advice guys...I'll keep you updated. ;-)

Try putting the fan down fairly low on the side panel, about video card level or lower to ensure that the cool air has a chance to flow through the whole case.

[zachig]

Try putting the fan down fairly low on the side panel, about video card level or lower to ensure that the cool air has a chance to flow through the whole case.
Thanks for the tip :icon_tiphat:, that's what I was thinking to do...;-)

Anyway, like I said, I'll only find the time to do it in a few days, so I really hope nothing will be damaged till then...:???:

[Bio-Hazard]

Everything should be OK, if it gets to hot the system will just shut down.

[zachig]

Everything should be OK, if it gets to hot the system will just shut down.
Thanks my friend, for calming me and cheering me up...:icon_tiphat: I guess I'm just stressed too much...:frown: :)

Oh...just another "fresh" update ;-):

I've just installed Everest Ultimate Edition 4 and guess what? It shows my mobo temp as 51C!!! :jawdrop: Not that 51C is low, but still, 9C lower than what my BIOS and also ASUS Probe II read...:grin:

I really don't know now to which program to believe, though I tend to believe more in Everest, as I've already heard that Asus Probe is not so accurate and tends to show higher temps...;-)

Anyway, I think I still need an additional fan to improve my airflow a bit more...;-)

Oh...BTW, here are all my three important temps (ALL in Idle):

CPU - 39C
Mobo - 51C
GPU - 73C (!!!)

Yeah, I know the GPU temp is pretty high, but this is also a result of my bad case airflow. Anyway, it was the same temp, even before I replace the mobo/cpu. But I guess it's OK as it never went over 85C, even on MAXIMUM LOAD...;-)

[werty316]

If you are still wary about the motherboard temps I suggest you install the stock cooling and take not of any differences if any.

[zachig]

If you are still wirry about the motherboard temps I suggest you install the stock cooling and take not of any differences if any.
No thanks...:icon_tiphat:It's already there and I really hope I won't have to deal with any (hardware) installations soon...:lol:

[zachig]

Guys, can you recommend on a good fan to use?

What about Vantec Tornado 92mm?

I've heard it's VERY VERY LOUD (more than 52dBm!!!) but it's also VERY powerfull and efficient, that's why I plan on operating it at 7V so it'll be less noisy. What do you say?

[zachig]

An update...and a very important one :grin::

OK guys, I've just installed yesterday a Vantec Tornado 92mm on my side-door to blow air in.

Now, I first connected it "as it comes" to 12V. Now I already knew what to expect (regarding the noise), but I guess I was wrong!!! :ahhhhh:

It was like a HUGE VACUUM CLEANER inside my ears!!! TOTALLY UNBELIEVABLE!!! It was SO loud, that you could barely talk near the PC...:jawdrop:

Anyway, I've modded it to work at 7V and the noise was reduced significantly, but still, it's pretty loud, though it's now down to a bearable noise level...:grin:

I'm still going to check whether it'll work @5V. Some people say it will start spinning at 5V and some say it won't, so I guess I'll just have to check.

Now, to the question, why did I buy a Vantec Tornado, if I plan on running it at 5V/7V? The simple answer, THIS FAN JUST PUSHES HUGE AMOUNT OF AIR (compared to other fans I've used/seen) even at 7V!!!

Just look at my new temps:

Before adding the fan:
MOBO - 57C
CPU - 39C
GPU - 73C

Vantec Tornado 92mm @ 12V:
MOBO - 32C
CPU - 33C
GPU - 57C

Vantec Tornado 92mm @ 7V:
MOBO - 35C
CPU - 34C
GPU - 58C

AMAZING AH??? Even at 7V, this fan reduced my mobo temp by 22C!!! :jawdrop:

Anyway, I hope it'll work even at 5V, and then I'll update my temp results here for the 5V as well. ;-)

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP! :icon_tiphat:

[sushrukh]

Wow.I've never seen any single fan doing so much for a system.It's great to hear that you've almost sorted your problem out Zach.Best of luck on your cool PC.Btw,how much did the fan cost ?

[zachig]

Wow.I've never seen any single fan doing so much for a system.It's great to hear that you've almost sorted your problem out Zach.Best of luck on your cool PC.Btw,how much did the fan cost ?
THANKS!!! :icon_tiphat: The fan costs around $US 11, but I bought it in Israel for around $20 :frown:, but it's still not that bad for such a fan.

Just, BE AWARE that if you consider purchasing this fan, you might becomre DEAF, if you gonna use it at 12V!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! :lol:

Right now, the only problem I have is the "Shutdown" problem. I can DO restart, but when I select "Shutdown", I first get the "Shutting Down" message and right afterwards, the system does something like a reboot but doesn't even get to the "POST" and stays there, with the power LED light on my case ON forever...:frown: The only thing I can do in order to fully shut it down, is SWITCH the 0/1 switch on the back of my PSU. Even holding the Power Button for more than 5 seconds doesn't help...:frown:

At first, I had some other problems with Vista getting into "Sleep" mode instead of "Shutdown" but this was due to the fact that the "Power" button in Vista's "Start" menu wasn't configured correctly. But after I change the "Power Settings" in the control panel, so this button will actually do a "shutdown" instead of "sleep", I'm getting the problem I've described above.

It seems that A LOT of people are having the exact same problem, so I guess it's just a matter of time till this issue will be resolved but I can really live with it for the time being...:grin:

That's it...now it's time to start overclocking the system a bit.

I'll let you all know how it goes...;-)

[darkorb]

now i can see why ur mobo temp was so high, looks like u had 0 airflow!!

[Bio-Hazard]

Now all you need to do is enlarge the fan opening to 120 or 140mm and install a nice silent fan with good air flow, a nice Yate Loon should take care of the problem..........;).

[zachig]

Now all you need to do is enlarge the fan opening to 120 or 140mm and install a nice silent fan with good air flow, a nice Yate Loon should take care of the problem..........;).
Nah, I already have Thermaltake 120mm at the back of my case, which is pretty quiet, and beside that, I already got used to the noise...OK...almost...:lol:

Anyway, I've already found on the internet A LOT of people that tried SUCCESSFULLY to run the "tornado" at 5V, which makes it even more quiet. :grin:

So, that's the next thing I'm gonna do, and I really hope that afterwards, it won't be that noisy...;-)

Of course, I'll keep you updated and THANKS again for you help...:icon_tiphat:

[zachig]

OK...This is my last update, promise...:lol:

I've set the Vantec Tornado to run at 5V and after more than 30 minutes of Idle time, here are the temps:

MOBO - 40C
CPU - 34C
GPU - 60C

Now, @5V the fan is much more quiet, compared to the jet-like noise it made @12V...It is now definitely bearable noise...maybe just a little bif more than a standard fan running at high speed. :grin:

So I guess I finished here with the "cooling" part.

Now, I'll move on to overclock my system a bit, and I'll be satisfied with any overclock above 3.2GHz...;-)

Anyway, all updates regarding my overclock results will be posted in a separate thread as this one is already long enough...:lol:

C'ya :icon_tiphat:

[slugbug]

Well those temps are definitely an improvement :smile:

[zachig]

Well those temps are definitely an improvement :smile:
Thanks :grin: I also think so...:icon_tiphat:

[PP Mguire]

Yea i wish i would have read this thread before. I used to run all my fans (that i wired) at 5v becasue i used to think the red cable was the 12v line. Never fried anything and when i put the tornado on the 12v i was like WHOA DUDE!!! lol big difference!

[zachig]

Yea i wish i would have read this thread before. I used to run all my fans (that i wired) at 5v becasue i used to think the red cable was the 12v line. Never fried anything and when i put the tornado on the 12v i was like WHOA DUDE!!! lol big difference!
Really??? :ahhhhh:At least you've learned something from this thread...:lol: ;-)

[PP Mguire]

Ohh no, like i know now but like 3 years ago i didnt know about the 12v line being yellow. I was saying i wish i would have read it before to tell you it wouldnt hurt the fan at all.

[zachig]

Ohh no, like i know now but like 3 years ago i didnt know about the 12v line being yellow. I was saying i wish i would have read it before to tell you it wouldnt hurt the fan at all.
I knew it wouldn't hurt running the fan @5V, I just wasn't sure it'll start spinning at that voltage...:roll:

[Bio-Hazard]

Yup, there are a bunch of fans out there that will run at 5 volts all day long but those same fans have to have at least 6 or more volts to startup correctly.........;) I've got 4 of those in my case (total of 8x120mm) right now...............;)

[zachig]

Yup, there are a bunch of fans out there that will run at 5 volts all day long but those same fans have to have at least 6 or more volts to startup correctly.........;) I've got 4 of those in my case (total of 8x120mm) right now...............;)
That's why I was happy that my Vantec Tornado, started up right from 5V!!! :-D

[Bio-Hazard]

I'm not all that worried about them not starting up at 5v though, I've got them all connected to a fan controler, so I can set them to what I want anytime I like depending on what I'm doing at the time...............;) Fan controlers are a wonderful thing.................:)

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8199/dsc00004xr7.jpg

[zachig]

Yeah...I've never in my life used a Fan Controller, but maybe in the future I'll consider buying one, as they're pretty usefull and not "that" expensive...;-)

[Bio-Hazard]

I've had my SunBeam Tech Rheobus for years now, it simple and basic without all the un-needed extras. A big plus is that it can handle up to 20w per chanel, so I can control more than one fan per chanel if I wish. And the thing is only running around $13 these days.

http://www.jab-tech.com/Sunbeam-5-1-4-Rheobus-Kit-Silver-pr-2529.html


Features
- Includes a 4-pin Y-adapter
- Retail Packaged Kit
- Smooth control from 0 to 12V
- Tactile click from power off position
- Handles 20Watts per channel
- Brushed aluminum finish
- Solid construction
- Consistent knob resistance
Specifications
1. Power : 20 watt per channel
2. Input voltage : DC 12V
3. Output voltage: 0 ~ 12 V
4. Output current: up to 1.67 A
5. Dim: 148.5x 105x 42 mm
6. Weight( Net) : 184

[zachig]

Really? Only $13? I might grab one eventually, though I'm really not in the mood to work on the wiring again, as just two days ago I re-wired everything in my case to give it a much more "clean' look...:lol:

[Kougar]

That looks to be much nicer than the Vantec controller I went with awhile back... no "off" position and no "Consistent knob resistance" as they put it either. LEDs only glow one searchlight bright blue too. I'll have to keep an eye on that.

[Bio-Hazard]

There's only one problem with the Sunbeam Tech controler, the LED's are super brite, both the blue and red. In a dark room with no lights on except the fan controler, you could easily read a book by the light they produce.............

[darkorb]

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=10225&vpn=RHK-BA&manufacture=Sunbeam

THe sunbeam one is really bright? im trying to find one that isnt bright so i can reduce fan speed for when i go to bed then crank it up when im awake

[Bio-Hazard]

Yup, they are that brite, but on the plus side, the LEDs are easy to replace if you like.

[Kougar]

There's only one problem with the Sunbeam Tech controler, the LED's are super brite, both the blue and red. In a dark room with no lights on except the fan controler, you could easily read a book by the light they produce.............

Well, again they can't be any worse than the Vantec lights! Even installed externally in a floppy bay they can light up the inside of the case better than most cold cathode tubes I've seen. :lol: I'll add it to a list so next time I order from Jabtech I can save a bundle on shipping costs... I may have to start considering a chipset+VREG waterblock soon with my new hardware that is arriving today. ;-)

[Bio-Hazard]

For a chipset block, I'd take a look at the Swiftech MCW30. As for a VREG block, that my be a problem due to the many many different sizes and bolt paterns.

[Kougar]

I'll add that one to the Jabtech list then. ;) I wasn't going to look for blocks right now as the DQ6 is such a mess of copper that I don't want to take any of it off... but if I get a X38 DQ6 I may be changing my mind. Was just saying that since all my watercooling stuff is from Jabtech I might as well just wait on the Sunbeam until I need something else from Jabtech and order the mess all at once and save a good bit.

Thanks for the suggestions though, I didn't spot that the MCW30 can use the pushpin mounting method before so I'll be keeping that one in mind... :)

Any news on those Noctua NC-U6 fan clips you mentioned in your older thread that you were going to get? Any idea if Noctua plans to also sell a fan with it too? Tried to google that one but couldn't pull up anything except their CPU coolers.

[Bio-Hazard]

I haven't heard anything back from the people, maybe they ran into problems or something. I wouldn't have thought that fan clips were any big deal, but maybe they ended up redesigning the whole cooler or something.

[Kougar]

That is to bad, it would be neat to have them include an optional fan+mount for it with the cooler and to send ya a set.

I shouldn't be saying anything (I think) but I'm almost done reviewing that cooler right now. I will simply say it wasn't the clean sweep I thought it would be... :whistler:

[Bio-Hazard]

Without a fan like I added, my sink gets very very warm, even with all the air flow I have over my board (3x120mm fans from top to bottom). But I will say that it's a 1000x better than the passive cooler that came on my MSI board and it's maybe 100x better than the loud stock cooler that comes with the 680i LT board. Overall I'm totally pleased with the cooler, I wish I had some numbers for the deltas, but neither the 680i LT nor the 650i boards report the NB temp.