8800gts Sli

[darkorb]

Hey guys, just wondering, would i see the performance boost of 8800GTS 640MB SLI on a 1680x1050 screen. I hope the Mushkin 650watt can handle it.

Although im on a AMD CPU, would i be bottlenecked?

[werty316]

Is thta 8800GTS too slow for you?

You wouldn't see much of a boost at that resolution. If you decide to go with another 8800GTS your PSU should be able to handle it.

There would be a bottle with your current X2 at 2.4GHz; a better CPU would help more and because of this I would hold off on another 8800GTS.

Just do a search on some 8800GTS SLI reivews for some results.

[Schwarz]

Well as far as the 320MB version the PSU handles it well, I got the same as you.
Mushkin 650W.
As far as performance goes there is a difference.
Maybe not as big as you might imagine but of course you get lots more FPS in COD2 but the game is optimised for SLI.

[darkorb]

Schwarz do u see a difference in GAMING between your C2D and your PD, both at their overclocked settings?

[Schwarz]

My PD was only a 805 and I did see a diff when I went with the C2D.
If I compared stock to stock.
But I really did like that little 805 back then.
I'll be putting it in a computer i'll building for my GF.
With my old Asus Commando, PD805, Corsair Value 667 ram.
One of her HDD in her Acer and her DVD burner.
As far as the PSU I dunno what i'll do since i didn't check what was in her box ... and I told her to buy a videocard.
She can get cheap ones anywhere.

[PP Mguire]

If you where gaming at a res of say 1920x1200 youd see a difference becasue thats where SLI makes the difference is at high res. Then again, just getting a GTX from the start would have made al the difference. Your GTS should be fine at that res though, and if your not getting decent performance (like actualy lagging instead of expecting stupid high FPS) then you have a problem somewhere in your machine. Your CPU is comepletely fine for what your doing, and the SLI you want to do. Seriously, im still running the 3000+ and im not having a single problem at all running 1440x900 on my 7950GT (19" widescreen). Where as your PSU is concernd, read the argument between me and that one guy. He DOES have a point.


My opinion though, SLI isnt worth it. Just save and get a better card or wait the the G92s to come out. I know alot of people who will tell you that, including the other forums you frequent.

[darkorb]

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see my main concern is, do i buy a 6750 for $230, and ddr2 ram and pop that into my rig now, would all that money be worth the upgrade JUST for gaming sicne thats all i do.

or would i be better off just making a side rig with those parts

[werty316]

I would upgrade your CPU, RAM, and mobo as you'll benefit more from it than running two 8800GTS cards on a X2 3800+ at 2.4GHz.

[PP Mguire]

If i remember correctly your rig is S939 so you cant put DDR2 in it. I say just wait with what you got. If your running at a res that high there really isnt that much of a need for AA at all. Trust me, at the old res of 1024x768 4x was enough. Of course at that res if you max everything out and have 16xAA turned on its gonna lag even on a GTX. So really, you probably just need to turn down the AA.

I would upgrade your CPU, RAM, and mobo as you'll benefit more from it than running two 8800GTS cards on a X2 3800+ at 2.4GHz.It wont matter, his cpu is fine. I say, just turn down your eye candy a bit (Like all the AA) and leave your game settings at high with that res and you should be fine with what you got. I mean, if im running 1440x900 with high settings on every DX9 game i have with my system (The 3000+ and 7950GT) then you should have no problems on an X2 and 8800GTS.

[werty316]

You could tell him to turn the AA down but he never said he wanted another 8800GTS because he is experiencing lag so he might be running fine with AA turned on. All I am saying is he'll benefit more from a CPU with more power, especially if he is gonna run two 8800GTS cards in SLI and a 3.0GHz overclock or higher will help more than a 2.4Ghz overclock.

Whatever he does wait for he'll have to get a new CPU, memory and motherboard anyways.

You know what, that actually could be a good idea with the K10 and Penryn just around the corner,.. sort of so he should be content with his current hardware until then.

[darkorb]

thanks for your comments guys, i just got the MOBO so was wondering what i should do


XFX took their time , but i dont mind :P

THanks again to everyone, Scott XFX and Mushkin

[werty316]

Did you have to RMA something?

[darkorb]

ya the mushkin PSU, DOA, they even sent their replacement quicker than the MOBO arrived :D

[Schwarz]

Yah I have 2 GTS because I won the contest here on bjorn3d.
But I wouldn't recommand going for SLI.

[darkorb]

but what i wanted to ask you was, ur PD and my X2 are basically neck and neck , with ur OC at 4ghz (DAM THATS HIGH) and mine at 2.4 yours was prolly quicker

but between ur PD and ur C2D, OC or NOT, have u seen a performance incrase strictly in gaming?

[werty316]

With two 8800GTS cards in SLI I doubt he would have noticed a difference. CPU power doesn't matter as much as GPU power in todays games.

[darkorb]

so then not worth the upgrade to C2D? :P

[PP Mguire]

You could tell him to turn the AA down but he never said he wanted another 8800GTS because he is experiencing lag so he might be running fine with AA turned on. All I am saying is he'll benefit more from a CPU with more power, especially if he is gonna run two 8800GTS cards in SLI and a 3.0GHz overclock or higher will help more than a 2.4Ghz overclock.Im basing this purely off of personal IMs between the 2 of us and another thread he had. He was complaining about like 125fps in CSS or something? Cant really remember, but it was rediculous i believe. Where the cpu is concernd, your last post contradicts it. His CPU is fine where games are concernd. SLI isnt really worth it and his CPU will handle anything thrown at it right now with room to spare even with SLI on its shoulders. As a test i ran 2 7950GTs in SLI and made the coparison between my X2 and 3000+. Wasnt hardly any difference. (Was bored at a LAN party what can i say) So id say the difference between his X2 and a C2D in GAMES will only be possibly a 5fps difference at the most. OC or not. Thats just cause most all games now with the exception of Flight SimX are GPU dependant like you said and having a monster CPU really isnt worth it unless you doing demanding apps.

So basicaly like you said, and what ive been saying, the system currently being run should be fine until G92 and k10/Penryn come out. Then it would be totaly worth it to upgrade. (Which is when i plan on getting rid of S939)

[werty316]

Well lets see what darkorb's plan is gonna be like when or if he will be upgrading to the G92, K19, or Penryn.

Your upgrade plan may be different than his upgrade plan.

[PP Mguire]

Mmm i can only imagine how fast K19 will be ;)

[AJ.]

Wow a lot of different opinions. After reading the whole thread I tend to agree with werty the most. A cpu, mobo, and ram upgrade would make more of a difference than a SLi setup would. Mainly the cpu. But when it all boils down, the system Darkorb has now should be fine for atleast another year or two. That should be enough time for prices to drop drastically on quad cores and DX10 video cards. It would probably be more wise to wait.

[PP Mguire]

For a few years youll have DX11 prolly ;) I was hxc set on NOT jumping on the C2D bandwagon (fad whichever you prefer) because thats all it is. I plan on going AM3 and im not sure but i think thats what hes doing too. Also 9800GTX should be DX10.1 compliant, w/e that means. All in prefernce really. I say, if you got the money go for it.

[werty316]

C2D bandwagon (fad whichever you prefer) because thats all it is.
:lol: You really hate Intel huh?

[PP Mguire]

Eh nah i dont hate them. I mean, i have an Intel beanie and wrist band. I just have used AMD systems for so long i guess you could say im accustomed to them? Like, when you switch to Intel its like playing in a new ball field really. Bios options are different ect ect. I just prefer to stick with what im used to i guess you could say. Im just not that hxc of a fanboy to say the C2Ds suck when they dont. Its just a round and Intel won this one, maybe AMD will in the next. I just dont see the point in switching over for one round (or maybe 2) only for it to possibly go back in the next season. Hopefully this isnt confusing lol. Kinda out of it from Ozzfest last night.

[AJ.]

No, not too consfusing lol. I understand what your saying. I'll probably never buy a C2D simply because of the fact that AMD will put out something equivilent sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. It's not like current X2's are so outdated they cant handle todays applications. When it comes to C2d's it's just about having the fastest. Dual core cpu's havent been shown their limits just yet.

[PP Mguire]

Exactly, and ive proven at a LAN party that a single core can stand up to games as much as your fastest dual core. That was a 3000+ mind you.

[tyle6]

games are still wrote for single cores. really though, untill games are wrote to utilize both cores a single core machine is going to hold its own in gaming for days to come.

[AJ.]

Thats what I'm saying. There's no need for more power yet. If you really think about it dual cores are more than enough power for any game out today. And dare I say even overkill? Well maybe not in Flight sim x. But thats an exception lol.

[sushrukh]

:offtopic: Werty why do you have to imitate me :lol: & this time you are doing it wrong.You are showing your own IP to the public other than let them see their IPs.Like, i should see my own IP when i visit this page.Right ? But i'm seeing your own Canada based Ip & i think you shouldn't show your own IP to the public.It's not that easy that you save the Gif file from the website & attach it in the Bjorn's signature pic attachment section & it'll start showing our IPs.So, basically you can't see us but you are showing yourself to us.;-)

Sorry for my off topic post but i had to do this for his safety.

[werty316]

hahaha :dielaffin: doh!

I wasn't trying to imitate you, you just gave me an idea and now I see it doesn't work.

[sushrukh]

Ya, this picture works from only the website who has developed it because it contains PHP codes in it.So,if you try to put it in your sig,it'll only show your own IP to the public which is pretty dangerous.If you or me would have any personal FTP server we could use it in our sig because FTP servers support uploading PHP coded pictures & sharing them online.

[werty316]

Yeah, I kinda noticed that; hows about you take that screenshot off?

[sushrukh]

Ya, i understand the need of privacy & it'll be done right now.It was just done to make you aware of that.

[werty316]

Two replies kinda gave me that hint but thanks :icon_tiphat:

[sushrukh]

I wonder why no-one didn't notice that.It's risky man.

[PP Mguire]

On topic though, a single core of a C2D should wipe the 3000+ off the planet. BUT it dosent, becasue games arent really CPU based anymore. Its all GPU. (With the exception of Flight Sim X which pwns even my X2 4800+)

[Schwarz]

but what i wanted to ask you was, ur PD and my X2 are basically neck and neck , with ur OC at 4ghz (DAM THATS HIGH) and mine at 2.4 yours was prolly quicker

but between ur PD and ur C2D, OC or NOT, have u seen a performance incrase strictly in gaming?

I'm sorry for the very late response.
But to tell you the truth like werty said I don't really know.
What happened is that I used to have my Asus Commando with my PD805 OC to 4.0 but when I won the 2 GTS from here (THANKS AGAIN SCOTTY) I wanted a SLI motherboard and so I got a Striker Extreme.
But for some reason the striker extreme wouldn't let me boot with the PD805 and thats when I got a e4300.
I kinda went from a 7900GT KO to 2 8800GTS so I did see a &*(^*&^ BOOST of performance but that was for another reason :p

[sushrukh]

You can only feel the performace gap b2in the PD & the C2D if you use your old 7900 with our C2D.As,you have used that 7900GT with your PD805 & now you have got 2 GTSs along with a C2D,you won't really understand that how much better actually your C2D is.So, i think, if you use your 7900GT with your C2D in the Striker,you wil be able to understand the performance gap b2in these two CPUs because the GPU will be the same as b4.

[Schwarz]

That would be great if I still had my 7900GT KO...
I sold it not long ago... mm and the guy still owns me 10 bucks for it...

[the_dope_chaud]

I, on the other hand, would have payed you in FULL
!!!DOH!!!

[Schwarz]

Yah I got screwed Jules.
That was a dumb thing to do.
I'm wondering if inside of you you are still pissed at me for that when you see me.
BTW your girlfriend is hot !!

[PP Mguire]

You can only feel the performace gap b2in the PD & the C2D if you use your old 7900 with our C2D.As,you have used that 7900GT with your PD805 & now you have got 2 GTSs along with a C2D,you won't really understand that how much better actually your C2D is.So, i think, if you use your 7900GT with your C2D in the Striker,you wil be able to understand the performance gap b2in these two CPUs because the GPU will be the same as b4.The only difference youll see in games is like a mere 5fps difference. Oh and 3dmark, but who cares about a benchmark.

[darkorb]

yea forgot about SLI, just aint worth it i guess

either a 360 for me, or ill just save up for a car :D

[Schwarz]

don't exagerate PP.
I'm getting lots more then 5FPS with 2 cards.
When I get time this week i'll run a few games with 1 GTS and 2 GTS to show you guys what to expect.

[PP Mguire]

Im not talking about SLI, my argument in this thread is processors.

[Schwarz]

Oh my bad PP.
It really depends on what kind of game you are playing.
There are some that are more CPU dpendant then others and thats where you will see the difference.
As far as I know the PD805 was a pretty powerful little guy at stock speeds.
Of course speed is not all that matters but it was still a 2.6 compared to a 1.8 e4300.

[PP Mguire]

Yea like i already mentioned, youll see more of a difference in speed in like Flight SimX with a C2D but other than that mainly my old 3000+ was fine. Its cause Flight SimX is like all processor based. Most all your other games are GPU and not CPU.

[sushrukh]

Ya, in most ( if not all) games mainly graphics engine is stressed much more than the CPU itself.Of course there are games which will run much better than other CPUs but they are few in number.Also some games also rely on the type of Instructions your CPU has.If your CPU has more instructions then there's a possibility that the applications & games will run faster.