General Folding chat

[westy87]

Well, I thought I'd start this thread to talk about anything folding related you might wanna chat about.

I find it funny that just as i posted in that other thread that my average 1% time was 15mins, I now have one core working on p2148 thats taking about 28mins per 1% and my other core is working on 2307 thats taking about 6mins per 1% (obviously they arent both worth the same amount of points though :()

[Bio-Hazard]

There was a thread like this some time ago back during the last few folding contests, but that was a year or so ago.

[darkorb]

i keep getting this

[Bio-Hazard]

It'll send sooner or later, their servers do go down from time to time or they might just be super busy. It'll send when it's ready..........:)

[peti1212]

i keep getting this

I had the same problem darkorb, and I read into this problem, and I found out how to fix this. When you configure your F@H client, then it asks you if you want to use internet explorer settings. The first time I was folding I put yes, and after finishing the whole WU, I got the same error as you. To fix this reconfigure your client (Don't worry you won't lose your work) by creating a shortcut of the exe file that starts the console and right click on it and click properties. After that you will see a line that tells you the whole file location of the main exe file. Right next to it leave a space out and put in -config. The next time you start the program with the shortcut the configuration panel will come up and when it asks you about the internet explorer settings, just say no, and configure it like that. After that you should be able to send your file. Hope you luck. :)

[darkorb]

thanks for the help

trying it out now


although the time is always wrong :P not a big deal though hehe

[peti1212]

thanks for the help

trying it out now


although the time is always wrong :P not a big deal though hehe

I have the same problem with the time. It is like 5PM here and it says 0:00:00 which is like midnight.

[westy87]

Heh yeh its 10:34am here and mine say 00:34

[Acidtears33]

Is there a way to tell while you are folding how many points will be earned for a WU?

[peti1212]

Yes Acidtears, all you have to do is go to this link and you can find all the WU's that are out at that moment. It will give you all the info here. :)

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/psummary.html

[westy87]

If you can't find the unit your working on then it is probably a beta unit and you will have to enter the code manually

[Bio-Hazard]

LOL.......Don't even worry about it and let the thing fold.......;) It's a worry free sort of thing don't know.

[Nocutius]

Anyone using their GPU for folding?
SMP client probably uses just cpu cores, or does it recognize the gpu also?
I'm asking cause i'm just starting to fold with my radeon, and 'm wondering which combination of clients is better:
cpu+cpu, cpu+gpu, smp? considering that i have my e4300 at 3ghz.
I know that at least one cpu core must be free to use gpu folding, so i cant have two cpu +one gpu console open at one time.

[sushrukh]

I wonder how many of us now are using an ATI GPU.

[peti1212]

Hey Guys, I have a problem here. Ok so I read about this thing that you can set up more than one instance at a time. So I created 4 folders that had 1 console in each of the folders. Then I configured them and 3 of them already finished a work unit, but when I sent thouse 3, only 1 of them appeard on the stats page. It did say that The work unit was successfully sent on all of them though. What's wrong?

[darkorb]

hmmm, no idea

im ranked 53 so far, lets see how high i get!

[Bio-Hazard]

My original user name is at 33 , but my current one is only at 62 and climbing.............:)

[Schwarz]

I don't get it.
I can't get it to work with 2 instance of it.
It just won't work.
I have the graphical one though but anyways I'm trying to have 2 work and its messed up and keeps saying that I can only run one even though I installed the thing twice in different folders...

[slugbug]

I don't get it.
I can't get it to work with 2 instance of it.
It just won't work.
I have the graphical one though but anyways I'm trying to have 2 work and its messed up and keeps saying that I can only run one even though I installed the thing twice in different folders...

The GUI version will only run one instance. You have to use the console version to run two.

[Schwarz]

oh...ok thanks.

[westy87]

Ye the console version is much easier to use for dual+ cores.

And in regards to your stats page just keep checking the page they will come up eventually

[Bio-Hazard]

Yeppers, sometimes it can take days before you get credit for a WU............;)

[peti1212]

Make sure to read the instruction on how to set it up carefully though schwarz. It took me a while to figure out how to do it, and also make sure that when you get the WUs that you do not download the same WU, because that's what happened to me and I was folding the same was 3 times. All I got for it was 1 WU in the stats page. :( The way I got around that problem was that I set each client a little bit differently with different answers and now I get all sorts of WUs that don't match eachother. :) Hope this helps.

[westy87]

How do you choose which work unit you will download? Mine do it automatically. And dont forget that even if it is the same protein unit number there are several different runs clones and generations of the same unit. I doubt that all 3 would get the same run clone and generation of the same protein, but if there is some way to download them yourself then ye I guess its possible

[peti1212]

Well it does it automatically for me as well, but I had everything the same the runs, clones and everything, that's why I had a problem. I don't know why it did that but it did.

[westy87]

You had all cores in seperate folders?

[peti1212]

Yep, I did and it still downloaded the same files and same everything. It is very odd. I never heard about that before, have you?

[Kougar]

F@H was designed intentionally so users couldn't pick and choose the highest point WUs, as it would lead to the more computational intensive WU's that take a little longer being ignored to collect dust.

As stated in the instructions for using the client console program, every individual one must have its own folder and unique CPU ID. Peti, that sounds a bit strange you only got credit for one WU. It is common to receive clones of the same WU, and when it happens you still get credit for each one. I've had the same WU on three cores and some other protein on the 4th core twice in the past month.

[sushrukh]

I've currently been assigned a task called p2307 but i'm unable to find that project name on their site.So, i donno what will be the credit for this project.

[Kougar]

I've currently been assigned a task called p2307 but i'm unable to find that project name on their site.So, i donno what will be the credit for this project.

Here it is: http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/fahproject?p=2307

[sushrukh]

Thanks Kougs.

[westy87]

I've currently been assigned a task called p2307 but i'm unable to find that project name on their site.So, i donno what will be the credit for this project.

When this happens, go and find another one on the list then there will be a text box to search for others, just type in the number and it will come up

[Enigmachine]

It's odd that you only got credited for 1 WU... Make sure you use different CPU IDs, I think that value is only used for the stats.

And congrats to Sush for his first WU, now keep folding! :)

[the_dope_chaud]

I just discovered you can set the affinity of F@H to whatevercore you prefer, that rocks! 1 core for gaming and one to fold, or even it out on both cores.... I just enjoyed loading core 1 and watching the main core stay free.

[sushrukh]

When this happens, go and find another one on the list then there will be a text box to search for others, just type in the number and it will come up

Thanks Westy.



And congrats to Sush for his first WU, now keep folding! :)

Thanks man & i'll keep it going as long as i can.

[Schwarz]

Did you start folding Jules?
I'm trying to get Sacha and as much people as I can to fold.

[Ranzear]

I've got 203 units on my personal team.

And not a single one off either of my rigs =P

PS3.

[Bio-Hazard]

I've got 203 units on my personal team.

And not a single one off either of my rigs =P

PS3.
About time you got a few for this site as well I would think..........:icon_tiphat:

All together I think I have somewhere around 850+ WU's for the different teams I have folded for...........:icon_tiphat:

[peti1212]

F@H was designed intentionally so users couldn't pick and choose the highest point WUs, as it would lead to the more computational intensive WU's that take a little longer being ignored to collect dust.

As stated in the instructions for using the client console program, every individual one must have its own folder and unique CPU ID. Peti, that sounds a bit strange you only got credit for one WU. It is common to receive clones of the same WU, and when it happens you still get credit for each one. I've had the same WU on three cores and some other protein on the 4th core twice in the past month.

Yeah, it is really dumb, and I am preety mad because of the electric bill I am going to have running the Quad-Core for such a long time. It uses a bunch of power about 350Watts just the CPU. I would be done for the month already if those three would have been recognized by their system. :frown:

It's odd that you only got credited for 1 WU... Make sure you use different CPU IDs, I think that value is only used for the stats.

And congrats to Sush for his first WU, now keep folding! :)

I did have different CPU IDs for each client and still only got 1 credit.

[the_dope_chaud]

dumb question, I want to run multiple machines F@H, can I do it under one account (mine) ? Its already happening, but I wanna know if I'll get WUs from both pcs, excuse me but im a folding noob.

[westy87]

ye just have the team id and name the same. Then make sure each machine has a different machine id

[Bio-Hazard]

You can use the same name on as many cores as you like, with as many differant or the same team numbers as you like and the user name listed will get credit that you listed under the team you gave.

In other words, you can use the same name as many times and on as many systems as you like.

[Schwarz]

*(&^(*&(*&*(& man I was at like 1300 frame for a 1500 WU and for some dumb reason I restarted my computer and that POS FOLDING@HOME restarts the whole wu man.
Screw that buggish crap if its gonna be stupid like that...
What the POS program doesn't do what its supposed to do and backup every half hour.
Is it too stupid to do that?
Ain't gonna waste my electric bill on some buggish POS.
Even in the log file
[03:41:15] Completed 1335000 out of 1500000 steps (89)

[Bio-Hazard]

It should save it where it was at when you restarted the system, give it a minute to update and check again.

[westy87]

You guys just gotta take some more time setting up your clients, im sure thats all thats wrong with most these problems. I've never had any problems like that I've been doing it for a few months now

[Schwarz]

Nope I gotta start all over...
Its dumb but I guess i'll have to do it all over again.

[the_dope_chaud]

you can set it to save your work at every x minutes
mines is set at the smallest interval, 3 minutes.

[peti1212]

Hey Schwarz, I know how that feels. I had to redo a 1500 point WU just because I was an hour late with the whole thing. So I was like at 98 percent when it stops and started deleting the file and downloading a new one for me. I was so pissed. Worst thing that can happen. And as you said a bunch of electricity. :frown:

[Bio-Hazard]

Never lost a WU from my computer myself, the main server did at one point a long time back when they has a system failure, but other than that, I've been pretty lucky I guess over the past 4 or 5 years.

[Enigmachine]

I've lost WUs in the past because it didn't save its work in the same folder if I started it as a service or from the command line. I like to start it as command line on my main machine so I can check the progress and stop them at will and as a service on machines I don't check often, but sometimes I get confused. :)

[zachig]

Damn...I'm still waiting for my first 2 WUs for this month to finish, but it's taking too much time. :frown:

Hopefully I'll have one unit finished in about 48 hours and the 2nd one in about 70 hours...Then hopefully I'll get more "shorter"/"faster" WUs to process...;-)

[Bio-Hazard]

Damn...I'm still waiting for my first 2 WUs for this month to finish, but it's taking too much time. :frown:

Hopefully I'll have one unit finished in about 48 hours and the 2nd one in about 70 hours...Then hopefully I'll get more "shorter"/"faster" WUs to process...;-)
I've already got 4 done this month with the 5th coming sometime later today. ...............:icon_tiphat: I'll just keep on folding for a while though, just for the fun of it..................:ahhhhh:

[zachig]

I've already got 4 done this month with the 5th coming sometime later today. ...............:icon_tiphat: I'll just keep on folding for a while though, just for the fun of it..................:ahhhhh:
I'm foldiing for Bjorn3D Team for all year long, but that's from my computer at work...:lol: I'm running two instances on my Dual Xeon, while working on my Laptop. But sometimes I need to use my desktop, so then I switch it off.

[Enigmachine]

I've already got 4 done this month with the 5th coming sometime later today. ...............:icon_tiphat: I'll just keep on folding for a while though, just for the fun of it..................:ahhhhh:

I hope you enjoy it, because Scott finally posted the rules to the contest and it's going to be 15 WUs, not 5... :)

I'm at 5 already (wow, about 1 a day, I should be able to make it by the half of the month) and I still have 3 cores to start up. :D

[Bio-Hazard]

Ya, I read the latest post.....;) Glad to see him increase the WU count, 5 was way to few IMHO.

I was going to fold under my old forum name as I'm already up there fairly high, but that would have just screwed things up, so I just started over from the begining with my current forum name, makes things easier I guess.

I'm not going to start up any special rigs for folding right now, it's been a not summer and my electric has been through the roof as it is, so 2 systems will have to do for now.

BTW, this post makes 75 for the month, so I'm good to go on that part already.

[SonicWRX]

Just a small question but how much more power do you think it will eat up if i run my two ATI X1950's for a day. Can you really see that Big of a hit on the electric bill if you run it all the time?

Currently the only PC I have folding is my work PC So i don't pay for the bill on that one. It has to be left on all day anyway so might as well fold with it. :keepfolding:

[darkorb]

anyway to check how many has been done so far? i onyl remember what spot i was in, not how many WU's were done

[tomato]

I've had F@H going for Bjorn3D since the last Folding Contest :P ...hopefully I can reach 15WU by the end of the month with a single core. Might have to fire up another core at work though :P

[SonicWRX]

I've had F@H going for Bjorn3D since the last Folding Contest :P ...hopefully I can reach 15WU by the end of the month with a single core. Might have to fire up another core at work though :P

Currently My work PC (single core 2ghz) maxed out at 12WU in a month. and those where months i was on two week vacations. I have to start a second one up or I am SOL. haha

[darkorb]

iv got 4 cores goin on it right now, 2 singles and my duallie

[Bio-Hazard]

I've only got 2 cores folding and I've got 5 WU done already, so 15 shouldn't be a problem, but then again my C2D does have a slight OC on it so it is a little faster.

[peti1212]

I just love it so much that Scott sometimes make a bit difficult contest. The resons to be honest with you is because not as many people are going to qualify, or people are just too lazy to fulfill the goal of the contest. What do you guys think?

[westy87]

Ye when I logged in this morning I came straight to this thread, saw that it is now 15 WU's and thought oh boy, better turn my 2 innstances on quick! Hehe not a moment to be lost.

[peti1212]

Hehe, same here, when I read the 15 Wu's that are needed I turned on my computer my dads and my sisters and put it to folding right away. :)

[Bio-Hazard]

LOL one dual core is more than enough power to get 15 WU's finished in time, no big rush, you have all month.

[westy87]

Ye but im away from 21st to 29th for the Australian University Games, representing our uni in tennis up on the Gold Coast :) And I don't think ill be leaving my computer on the whole time.

[zachig]

I hope you enjoy it, because Scott finally posted the rules to the contest and it's going to be 15 WUs, not 5... :)
What?#!? :jawdrop: I think 15 WUs is just too much. Anyway, I hope I'll manage to complete 15 this months, as liked I said I'm still waiting for my first 2 WUs to finish and it's already 5 days in September. :frown:

[Bio-Hazard]

I have faith in you Zachig, you'll get them done, just use your C2D and you'll be fine, I'm getting about one WU per day per core finished with mine, so you shouldn't have a problem.

[Enigmachine]

What?#!? :jawdrop: I think 15 WUs is just too much. Anyway, I hope I'll manage to complete 15 this months, as liked I said I'm still waiting for my first 2 WUs to finish and it's already 5 days in September. :frown:

Well you have to remember that usually the contests here don't have piddly little prizes so I think it's all right that the requirements be relatively high...

But hey, I have an idea! If you pay my electricity bill, I'll give you some of my WUs! :D I should have some extras towards the end of the month. :)

[Bio-Hazard]

The electric bill is the problem I have here...............:jawdrop: That's why I'm only folding with 2 cores, but right now the rig is folding 24/7 which means that the rig is on unused for about 4 hours or so.

[sushrukh]

What?#!? :jawdrop: I think 15 WUs is just too much. Anyway, I hope I'll manage to complete 15 this months, as liked I said I'm still waiting for my first 2 WUs to finish and it's already 5 days in September. :frown:

Same here.The console version didn't work for me that well.That's why i'm using the GUI version which i think utilize only 1 core & you can't run multiple instances.It takes 4 days to complete a WU in my machine.Making 75 posts is nothing for me though. :lol:

[Schwarz]

I think a lot of us already has 75.
Especially me :p

[Bio-Hazard]

Same here.The console version didn't work for me that well.That's why i'm using the GUI version which i think utilize only 1 core & you can't run multiple instances.It takes 4 days to complete a WU in my machine.Making 75 posts is nothing for me though. :lol:
If it's taking you that long, you need to re-tweak your system, the old XP I have running is turning out WU faster than that (most of them anyways)....................:icon_tiphat:. I'm also running the GUI version, that's the one I've always used from day one.

I think a lot of us already has 75.
Especially me :razz:

Had that much yesterday or the day before, I forget which..........;)

[sushrukh]

If it's taking you that long, you need to re-tweak your system, the old XP I have running is turning out WU faster than that (most of them anyways)....................:icon_tiphat:. I'm also running the GUI version, that's the one I've always used from day one.


How can i re-tweak ? It's a new XP install & i've also tried in my new vista 32 & 64 bit OSes but the result are same.I believe it's my CPU which pushing me down.I'm worried to run my CPU over 70C all the month & i don't have any warranty on it too.I'm getting mainly those WUs which have 1500 frames each which is taking 4/more days to complete & my PC is on for 24x7.I think, i'll have to wait for the October contest.

[Bio-Hazard]

Those 1500 jobs are a PITA on my XP system, they take like 3 days to complete, but on my C2D it only takes like 24 hours to complete, about 3 times faster.

[sushrukh]

Ya, my Pentium D seems even inferior than an Athlon XP then.Wished if i could get even the cheapest quality C2D ,so that i could also compete to complete 15 WUs in this month.

[zachig]

Well you have to remember that usually the contests here don't have piddly little prizes so I think it's all right that the requirements be relatively high...
Yeah, I guess you're right. ;-)

But hey, I have an idea! If you pay my electricity bill, I'll give you some of my WUs! :D I should have some extras towards the end of the month. :)
Hehehe...NO THANKS! :icon_tiphat: I guess I'll be just fine...;-)

Oh...and THANKS for cheering me up, Steven! I'm pretty sure that eventually I'll be able to complete ALL required WUs...:grin:

[the_dope_chaud]

here shush try these 2 tips.
hit ctrl+alt+delete, open the process tab (second one)

find winFAH.exe and FahCore_80.exe and apply 2 steps. Define the priority of the process and also you can define which core (or both) to use on each F@H instance.

exemple (in french, but you'll get it...)

[sushrukh]

Thanks.I didn't have to set the Affinity.It's already configured to run on both cores as what i've seen but i've changed the Prority level to HIGH.I've also set the CPU utilization level in the client as 100% but after doing all these, the process still not using 100% CPU.It's using 50-55% load.So, i doubt if both the cores are actually working jointly.I'm getting a 4 Minutes 30 sec/frame speed from the start to now.Changing the Priority Level to HIGH didn't affect the frame rendering speed for me.I've tried whatever methods can be applied to run it in a better speed but couldn't get it to work more faster.It's my CPU which is cretaing problems i think.Even after using the non-stock cooler,my CPU is running at more than 72C all the time with a 50-55% load.Thanks for the screenies though & what's the diff b2in setting them in Real Time or HIGH ?

[the_dope_chaud]

I think realtime uses your cpu's idle cycles and making it hight priority forces it to use more cycles. As for getting 100% load on one core, set those 2 executables to only core 1 and watch your first core stay idle and the 2nd one go to 100%

[sushrukh]

I've just tried that,running those two executables to use only the core 0 but the load is still around 50%.I can't even watch the per core activity or per core temperature with my CPU bcoz my CPU doesn't support monitoring them independantly.Coretemp also doesn't work for the PD.

[Schwarz]

Yah I'm using your little trick Jules.
Works wonders !
I'm gonna get the GUI version soon though.

[the_dope_chaud]

yeah, can't say I'm greedy with my tricks eh ?

I've just tried that,running those two executables to use only the core 0 but the load is still around 50%.I can't even watch the per core activity or per core temperature with my CPU bcoz my CPU doesn't support monitoring them independantly. Coretemp also doesn't work for the PD.

that weird, its probably 50% of both cores, because even my 3 gig e6600 with 4 meg cache goes 100% one one core with both executables set to affinity core 0 or 1. (while F@H)
speed fan shows the cpu load, maybe you'll have luck with that...and have you tried everest for temps?
I dont know about those pentium Ds, I just guess.

[Bio-Hazard]

Try CoreTemp to check your temps, it should report both cores.

[the_dope_chaud]

Try CoreTemp to check your temps, it should report both cores.

I've just tried that,running those two executables to use only the core 0 but the load is still around 50%.I can't even watch the per core activity or per core temperature with my CPU bcoz my CPU doesn't support monitoring them independantly.Coretemp also doesn't work for the PD.

can you say I didn't read until the end ?

[sushrukh]

Try CoreTemp to check your temps, it should report both cores.

I've said previously that CoreTemp doesn't support Pentium Ds.I've tried that already.It supports the whole Athlon 64 lineup with the C2Ds but not Pentium Ds.

Everest gives me the final Temp of the CPU but no temp per core & it's running at 80C now even after using a 3rd party cooler(TT BlueOrb FX) & applying AS5.Now, you can understand how much worthless this CPU is.My XP 2600+ used to run at 3200+ OC'ed at only 39-42C.

Everest Screenshot :-

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1474/48275214eh5.png

[peti1212]

Hey Sushrukh. If I were you, I would try doing a little cable management. That might fix some problems with the temperatures. Also your motherboard and all the other hardware looks like they are running really hot. What is the temperature in you house? If it is around 32C then it is understandable, but if it is around 22C then that is preety high.

[darkorb]

WOW, how highly are u OC'd? what are ur volts?

what is the ambient temperature? i would try reseating ur heatsink, i doubt its making direct contact, thats wayyy too warm.

my friend on a stock P4 heatsink on his PD 940 @ 4.1ghz, his load is 70, thats way too hgih

[sushrukh]

The ambient temp in my home is around 32-35C & i've tried whatever i can with the cables but my non-modular PSU & my case won't allow me to do better than that.There's no place to hide the cables from the non-modular PSU.I'm also running 7 fans inside my case excluding the CPU fan but the temp aren't decreasing and that's what i could do with it.It's not the problem of the heatsink,but in the CPU itself.I've ripped out the heatsink several times,cleaned it & applied AS5 but results are same everytime with only 1-2C diff.I'm OC'ed the CPU from 2800 to 3300 & you can see the volts in the screenshot b4.

And if you think,that Everest is showing something wrong,then here's the Asus PC Probe II Screenie.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/46/81633524mh4.jpg

[the_dope_chaud]

think you could post a pic or 2 ?
maybe you just have a small cramped case.
anyways, show us....

[peti1212]

Hmm, that might be the problem that your house is that hot because right now in California we got some hot weather around 32C and my motherboard temperature went up from 31C to 41C and the processor from 52C to 62C and the video cards idlea around 56C. So mine is hot too but when it is around 23C in the house, then it is much better.

[sushrukh]

think you could post a pic or 2 ?
maybe you just have a small cramped case.
anyways, show us....

You are right.I do have a small cramped case & i feel shy to post a pic of the dirty case with cables all around inside.I'll try to post a pic 2morrow.

[Bio-Hazard]

LOL...I've seen the case, zero air flow, that's the main problem. Next would be his room temp as a cause and third is the stock HSF.

[darkorb]

its not a stock HSF, thermaltake orb or somthing?

the room ambient is what is screwing him over 32-35! insane!

[Bio-Hazard]

Just checked his pic, that's the huge blue TT Orb, those cool fairly well normaly, even at higher room temps, my son is running the Golden Orb on his rig and is getting good temps here in MO with temps here this year setting records all the time.

[sushrukh]

Bio, TT Maxorb is far better than my BlueOrb Fx.Blue Orb FX is all aluminium while Maxorb i believe has a copper base.

Some pics :-
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http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2504/13278308fc6.jpg



http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5326/88666892uy0.jpg



Both the Intel stock cooler & this cooler gives me same temps for the CPU.

And the worst case & the inside.I've tried as much as i can but it can't be better than that.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2983/1000895kd3.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7449/1000891vz5.jpg

[the_dope_chaud]

holy crap, what a mess ! (dont take it bad...)
you got lots of components, you obviously need a bigger case there.
but atl east you have your gear, thats the most important.
And not just anything, your setup is pretty solid, it just needs a bigger house.

[slugbug]

I thought the Mercury Topaz was a car :smile:

[Bio-Hazard]

Bio, TT Maxorb is far better than my BlueOrb Fx.Blue Orb FX is all aluminium while Maxorb i believe has a copper base.


I know all about those coolers, reviewed all the orbs except for the newest heatpipe version. I got great results with both the Golden and Blue orbs back in the day, they performed better than the Zalman 9500 (got that one here as well).

There's not many of the TT sinks that I haven't reviewed at one time or another. Never kept them installed for more than a week or so though, air cooling performance simply blow (pun intended) compared to water cooling.

I could clean that mess up a bit if I had it, it'd take a little work, but it can be done.

[the_dope_chaud]

I would put in a bit of work and clean up that case, it can be done !!! (like he said...)
but one of the problems is that uppermost dvd/cd writer. If it wast there, you could take all your power supply cables and run them straight trough to that place instead of dangling in your case....

[Bio-Hazard]

There looks to be about an inch of space above the top drive, enough to at least shove a few of the extra wires into..........;)

[Enigmachine]

Hey I have suggestions of my own! :)

Sushrukh, do you actually use that zip drive? If not you could remove it/unplug it, it might help you move some cables out of the way. You could replace the DVD+CD with a single drive if you don't need both functionalities, or maybe move the CD writer to another machine if possible. Just a tought.

Your case fans look like they are dusty, maybe some cleaning might help, though the CPU heat sink looks clean. Who knows, at least check the intake ports. I have to remove loads of cat fur from mine every 3 months. If you're feeling adventurous, you might want to modify the front intake, replace the two 80mm openings (with 1 fan) with a single 120mm opening/fan and replace that front bezel with a nice grille. You'll have to move the power switch but it can be done and it might look nice too. :)
And then move the old fan to the back so you have as much air going in as there is going out.

Anyway, I have other ideas like putting a cardboard funnel so the hot hair doesn't pool in the upper part of the case, but since the main problem is that it's so cramped in there, I don't think it would make much of a change.

So I guess we'll just have to make sure you win a case in a contest someday. :D

[Bio-Hazard]

Heck, if he lived here in the US somewhere I'd give him a better case just because his is so old and cramped, but shipping to where he's at would be more than the case is worth..

[sushrukh]

Hey I have suggestions of my own! :)

Sushrukh, do you actually use that zip drive? If not you could remove it/unplug it, it might help you move some cables out of the way. You could replace the DVD+CD with a single drive if you don't need both functionalities, or maybe move the CD writer to another machine if possible. Just a tought.

Your case fans look like they are dusty, maybe some cleaning might help, though the CPU heat sink looks clean. Who knows, at least check the intake ports. I have to remove loads of cat fur from mine every 3 months. If you're feeling adventurous, you might want to modify the front intake, replace the two 80mm openings (with 1 fan) with a single 120mm opening/fan and replace that front bezel with a nice grille. You'll have to move the power switch but it can be done and it might look nice too. :)
And then move the old fan to the back so you have as much air going in as there is going out.

Anyway, I have other ideas like putting a cardboard funnel so the hot hair doesn't pool in the upper part of the case, but since the main problem is that it's so cramped in there, I don't think it would make much of a change.

So I guess we'll just have to make sure you win a case in a contest someday. :D


Thanks for the suggestion Enigmachine.:icon_tiphat:

1.First, i'm not using the Zip drive.My HDD is inside that part.So,i can't move my HDD to make room for the cables.Also cables are very short & they won't reach there.

2. I can't remove the CD writer to another machine bcoz i don't have another machine.Also some people often comes to my house to burn CDs & i really don't like to put those CDs (non branded cheap quality) into my DVD-RW because i'm worried to risk the lens of the DVD-RW & i would like to use the DVd-RW for accessing only DVDs which i own personally.

3. Yes, there are 3 fans which look dusty but actually they are not.I disassemble all the devices inside my case every month,clean them & install them again.Nobody(shops) has ever heard of Compressed Air here so, i need to use a clean piece of cloth for cleaning.I've actually cleaned all the parts only a few days ago.i don't get any benefit from the cooling (temps remain the same) but i do it for my own satisfaction that i've done whatever i could.

4. I can't attach any 120mm fan normally because the case offers only attaching of 80mm fans.You can see a 120 mm fan(won from elsewhere) in the lower right portion of the case which i've actually fixed there by a pair of copper wires.Fan grills aren't available here & i've not seen them in any computer shops.

Thanks for your suggestions my friend & yes, i've tried all the case contests since 6 months but didn't win even once.Maybe one day....;-)

Heck, if he lived here in the US somewhere I'd give him a better case just because his is so old and cramped, but shipping to where he's at would be more than the case is worth..

Thanks Bio.:icon_tiphat: People don't understand when they say i'm greedy at contests & i become aggressive at the time of contests.

If you were in my place,you would have done the exact same thing.I actually can't/should buy parts of my own.

1. I don't have my father & i'm the only earning member of our family.So,if i buy stuffz for my machine,i won't be able to support my family which i can't.I feel being hypocrite/selfish to buy stuffz for me,neglecting my family.

2. I've already said previously, every hardware is extremely pricey here & sometimes they are more than double the US prices.Now, an XFX 8800 320 is on sell here at the price of an XFX 8800 Ultra.Main reason for this is, the import duty that's applied on imported hardwares from US & from other countries.

3.And as for the crappy case, it seems that there are empty places on the top side but actually the place is blocked from inside.So, i can't utilize it.In my country,you can only find cases like this one, which isn't roomy enough for well ventilation.I've purchased this case 3 years ago by paying $50.

And if you have money, you can buy a CM Stacker ($ 450) or CM Cosmos ( $750) which will cost you a fortune.No medium priced case available.Either the highest end cases or the lowest end crappy case like mine.

People often get me wrong that i'm greedy & aggressive in these contests.They actually don't know,i don't have any other way to get them.So, i bound to work hard for contests.If i don't try to get things in contests, i'll have to keep the old peripherals as long as i don't win a new stuff.

I've not written these to give any excuse or asking for sympathy,just tried to explain why i need to work hard in contests.You know, some friends here have said me many times that it's just a contest & it's not a part of life but believe me, to me it is a part of my life coz i don't have any other way to get a new hardware for my PC.Hope, you understand.

I've just said about my CPU temp in another forum & i didn't expect the admin (JRW) of that forum to be so nice with me.When he heard that i'm facing such high temps,he actually instantly got his Thermalright SI 120 (http://hi-techreviews.com/reviews/SI-120/P1.htm) cooler(with a Vantec 120mm fan (http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6895/sl120pu5.jpg)) ripped off from his own PC & he has promised me to send his own cooler to me.I hope, that should cool the CPU a bit better than this TT cooler.I didn't expect him to be so nice.He doesn't even know me & i also don't have many posts in his forum but good & nice people do exists always.....

[Bio-Hazard]

It sure would be nice to get a bunch of these little 100 frame WU's, then I'd be finished in a few days............:jawdrop:. I just finished a 1500 at 11:30 this morning and started this one, and this one will be finished around 6:30 this evening, only taking around 7 hours.............:ahhhhh:

[the_dope_chaud]

Shush, we wanted to know your case dilema, not all your drama. I feel for you being far away and all, but hey I work and nothing is free in life. It took me almost 2 years to assemble my rig, and I paid in blood ans sweat. I work 30 hours a week and study 35, I try to have time for my girlfriend and renovate my friend's new bought house that I live in. (and sometimes, when I can, I am on my pc) Everybody has their story ; this aint a mother-teresa forum....

People don't understand when they say i'm greedy at contests & i become aggressive at the time of contests.

If you were in my place,you would have done the exact same thing. I actually can't buy parts of my own.

You know, some friends here have said me many times that it's just a contest & it's not a part of life but believe me, to me it is a part of my life coz i don't have any other way to get a new hardware for my PC

The contest is part of life, and should not BE your life

I dont really like how you consider this your only opportunity for upgrade, like as if bjorn3d was a cash cow, and I'm also very happy that someone has the opportunity to offer you a nice heatsink, free of charge at that !!! Believe me, If I had a server case and 50$ to spend on shipping, you'd have a bigger case....And once again, dont have the chronic tech head disease of notbeing satisfied with your computer and wanting more, you have a solid set up, and further more, where you live, I'll bet that's more than just a solid setup...
The contest is nice and should just be a bonus, not a promised upgrade, and in no frikin' way render anybody greedy. Everybody gets a chance and that's that.

[sushrukh]

Well if you think, that was a drama, i don't have anything to say.I think, i shouldn't have said my personal matter if i knew,people will call it a drama.I just wanted to share,that's all.Everybody has the right to say about themselves.Anyways thanks for calling it a drama.So, what do you say guyz,sharing your personal happiness or sadness is a drama ? If it is yes,i'll delete my previous post instantly.

I dont really like how ou consider this your only opportunity for upgrade, like as if bjorn3d was a cash cow.

Not talking about the Bj3d in general.I'm also a member of several forums & you can't say you don't love contests.And if you see my total post count (we both joined at the same time) , it'll be clear to you that i'm here not only for the contests.

We are going kinda off-topic & please let me decide what i'll write in my own post. :icon_tiphat:

[Enigmachine]

Everybody has their story ; this aint a mother-teresa forum....


Funny you should say that, since he lives in Calcutta, where mother Teresa became world famous for taking care of the poor, sick, the dying and the leprous... :redface:

Sushrukh, sine you can't buy a new case, I think you can still mod your case to improve the airflow. First you don't need to actually buy a fan grille... Looking at the front part of your case where the fans are installed, you can see that the grille that is there is pretty bad, half of the air seems to be blocked by the hole design. Just cut off that bad grille into a nice circle, you should get more airflow and you can keep the 80 mm fans there! You could probably do the same at the back, I haven't looked. As for replacement grilles, you don't have to buy new stuff, anything that is grille-like can be used as long as it lets enough air through and blocks fingers from entering. I often go through the trash to get some good modding materials, like parts of old microwave ovens or VCRs. It's free and as long as you have the tools, you can do some nice stuff.

Now regarding sharing, I thought it was all right. Most of us in North America have never been to places like India, Sri Lanka or the continent of Africa; it's hard to realize how much of a gap there is between our different lifestyles.

On the other hand, a lot of us here in the forums are also young and can't easily waste money to begin with (at least that's the case here in Quebec where I lose half my income in taxes and computer stuff is more expensive than in the USA because of import duties and translation to french, for example).

So anyway I guess what I'm saying is, if this stuff was easy to get, everybody would have it, so what would be the point of bragging? :) Very few people live on streets paved with gold, but if they do, they aren't on this forum because they probably don't have the same sense of pride we have at building computers that kick butt! :)

hm... ranting... must get coffee...

[sushrukh]

Thanks Enigmachine for your suggestions.I'll try to employ them friend.

[the_dope_chaud]

On the other hand, a lot of us here in the forums are also young and can't easily waste money to begin with (at least that's the case here in Quebec where I lose half my income in taxes and computer stuff is more expensive than in the USA because of import duties and translation to french, for example).

So anyway I guess what I'm saying is, if this stuff was easy to get, everybody would have it, so what would be the point of bragging?
yeah, thank you for your comment !!!

[sushrukh]

Now regarding sharing, I thought it was all right. Most of us in North America have never been to places like India, Sri Lanka or the continent of Africa; it's hard to realize how much of a gap there is between our different lifestyles.

On the other hand, a lot of us here in the forums are also young and can't easily waste money to begin with (at least that's the case here in Quebec where I lose half my income in taxes and computer stuff is more expensive than in the USA because of import duties and translation to french, for example).


Thanks for your comments. :icon_tiphat: There are people who doesn't know/don't care about these feelings because they still need to grow.May God help those kids.Thanks again Enigmachine for understanding this my friend. :icon_tiphat:

[the_dope_chaud]

May God help those kids.
:-Dyeah, help us god:-D

thanks to all my "friends" here that understand and tolerate the fact that I'm a kid and needs god's help

[sushrukh]

Back on topic, is there any way that we can have a chart (like that post count one) of the WUs achieved by everyone who are folding this month for our team ? :smile:

[Kougar]

Back on topic, is there any way that we can have a chart (like that post count one) of the WUs achieved by everyone who are folding this month for our team ? :smile:

Might not be as elegant, but you can just go here: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=41608 (http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=41608)

Just click the person, and scroll down to the "Last 7 Days Production" table which currently shows everyone's total WU count for the month so far. After it clicks over the Last Week Production table will work instead, although it will be missing the first two days of the month it should be more than good enough.

[sushrukh]

Thanks Kougs.You have been a great help always. :icon_tiphat: Wow i'm on the list too. :) Though with the worst results. :lol:

[Enigmachine]

Well the people at the top of the chart have been folding for what, close to a year?

I know I've been folding for this team for a while even though my last 6 months were almost nil production.

So you shouldn't expect to go to the top of the chart anytime soon! :)

[sushrukh]

Ye, that's right Enig.This is my first folding experience with any team & that too for Bj3d :).I'm not gonna fold 4 any other team.I also can't expect to go more higher with my setup until i get a C2D.

[peti1212]

Ok, I am preety mad now because two of my computers already had one WU about 80% done when they say something Mismach in file, and then it just deleted itself. I don't know why it was doing it on both computers but I am preety mad because it was folding for a while now. Anybody know? I would have been done with all of my WU's today if it would not have done it. :frown:

[Bio-Hazard]

Just start over with the 2 machines, its no big loss, you have plenty of time left in the month.......;)

I truely hope that you intend on folding the entire time and not just plain stopping after you get your 15 WU count finished.

[slugbug]

I wonder how many will continue folding for the team even after the contest is over.

[peti1212]

Just start over with the 2 machines, its no big loss, you have plenty of time left in the month.......;)

I truely hope that you intend on folding the entire time and not just plain stopping after you get your 15 WU count finished.

Don't worry I will keep on folding, just not as much, because I do not want to have a high electric bill. I have been folding 24/7 now that's why I have 11 done already, but after I have the 15, I will keep folding just when I tend to turn on my computer. Which is something since I run it around 7 hours a day normally.

[zachig]

I wonder how many will continue folding for the team even after the contest is over.
I know I WILL, as I haven't stopped folding even for a single day from the previous folding contest, which was held almost a year ago. :grin:

Of course, by the end of the contest and/or when I'll have my 15 WUs, I'll keep folding onl on one system (my Dual Xeon at work) and keep my C2D E6600 at home to rest...;-)

[darkorb]

ill leave 1 core folding whenever my computer is on, during the day and when im home at night

ill need the other core for gaming and such, but my computer won't be on during the night to fold, since its loud and heats up my room :(

[RiverRicer]

Ok, I am preety mad now because two of my computers already had one WU about 80% done when they say something Mismach in file, and then it just deleted itself. I don't know why it was doing it on both computers but I am preety mad because it was folding for a while now. Anybody know? I would have been done with all of my WU's today if it would not have done it. :frown:

Peti:

The problem you experienced might be caused by a slight instability due to overclocking. I had a similar glitch with my Brisbane 3600+ clocked to 2.8+ghz. I dropped the o'clock down to 2.6 and it's been happily folding ever since.:keepfolding:

[westy87]

ill leave 1 core folding whenever my computer is on, during the day and when im home at night

ill need the other core for gaming and such, but my computer won't be on during the night to fold, since its loud and heats up my room :(

You do realise that you can leave both cores running it and ply games at the same time with no effect? That i unless you get 2 work units using 100mb of RAM each and you happen to need that ram

[peti1212]

Peti:

The problem you experienced might be caused by a slight instability due to overclocking. I had a similar glitch with my Brisbane 3600+ clocked to 2.8+ghz. I dropped the o'clock down to 2.6 and it's been happily folding ever since.:keepfolding:

Ah, that might be the problem. I had my Pentium 4 3.4Ghz overclocked to 4080Mhz. That Might be it. Other than that for westy's last post I do agree with him. You can fold and play a game at the same time with no effect since it only uses idle processes from your CPU. I don't know about the GPU version or the non console version though.

[borschtBomber[SS]]

Yeah, it would be nice if everyone that joins continues to fold away after the contest. Like Zachig I started back during the last contest that involved F@H and have just let it fly since then. :)

[Nocutius]

The GPU version shuts itself down when you start any game.

I started folding a couple of months ago, just because i felt it will connect me to bjorn3d more. Until this site i never actively participated on any other forum, i would only read threads but never reply to them, and so far this is still the only site that i do that. I'm on this folding team longterm, and i hope to get among top 10 sometime, anything higher than that is probably unrealistic.

[SonicWRX]

I started folding for no real reason in Feb. of this year. I see no need to stop. However like others i will not fold as hard core as i am right now. Running the GPU cores really eats up the power and the pumps out alot of heat. Its summer now so its got my room much warmer than the rest of the house. I may use it as a space heater in the winter though hehe.

[westy87]

Hmm I didnt think it was summer anywhere at the moment. It's spring here, so it should be autumn there? lol

[SonicWRX]

Hmm I didnt think it was summer anywhere at the moment. It's spring here, so it should be autumn there? lol

Well technically it is autumn, but that doesn't instantly change the weather. Its still hot and sticky here. Although the storm system pushing though at the moment should cool things off. Besides i live in a old home and in the warm months the second floor is where all the heat sits. Don;t even get me started on the attic. In the winter all the heat leaks out of the house like it has holes in it so the computer is a welcome heat source.

[Bio-Hazard]

It's still offically summer here last I checked, temps are hot as well. Sometime towards the end of this month fall will start (09/23/2007)...........;)

[SonicWRX]

It's still offically summer here last I checked, temps are hot as well. Sometime towards the end of this month fall will start (09/23/2007)...........;)

Right right right i forgot that whole autumnal equinox thing is around the 23.

[Schwarz]

I have a quick question guys.
Let's say I finish a WU but my internet was down.
Then when I get back on it just downloads another work unit but doesn't seem to upload the old one.
Is there something special I need to do to upload my work unit or do I just want and it will appear on stanford's site in a few?

[Nocutius]

As far as i know it should all be automatic, i never had to do anything.

[SonicWRX]

I have a quick question guys.
Let's say I finish a WU but my internet was down.
Then when I get back on it just downloads another work unit but doesn't seem to upload the old one.
Is there something special I need to do to upload my work unit or do I just want and it will appear on stanford's site in a few?

Check your FAHlog.txt for something like this:
[02:13:49] + Attempting to send results
[02:13:51] + Results successfully sent
[02:13:51] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.
[02:13:51] + Number of Units Completed: 58

It may have sent them and you did not see. As far as i know once it is downloaded it over writes the old info. it its kind of lost.

[Bio-Hazard]

On the GUI version it can keep all unsent WU in a Queue (up to 10) that can all be viewed anytime you like. If for some reason you're in a rush to send it, simply stop F@H (EF@H) and restart it and F@H (F@H) will attempt to resend all finished WU's at that time.

[Schwarz]

Bah its alright it sent one of them and the other vanished ...
F@H is very buggy since I started using it.
Sometimes my work units when I restart my computer just restart all over.
Very frustrating but then again I don't really care.

[timberwolf120]

New to F@H...

Got a few questions:
1. After a WU is done, what should I do with the FahCore_7b.exe file? Can I delete it since it downloaded another .exe file?

2. On my first WU, it would say "Writing local files" after it completed x out of y steps. On my 2nd WU, it now says "Timer requesting checkpoint" instead. What do these two mean? Why did it change?

3. I'm using the GUI version on my Core 2 Duo E6300 (stock) and it says that I have 2700/5000 frames completed. Under "WU End", it says:
12:46 Sun 28 Oct 07
47d:21h:27m:00s

Is this small WU really going to take over 47 days?!?!?! :jawdrop:


Thanks for the help guys. I'm sure I'll have more noob questions about F@H. :redface:

[the_dope_chaud]

I'm by no means a F@H expert, but Im learnin' :

1- I dont know, I just leave 'em there

2-writting local files probably means its loading data or working, and Timer requesting checkpoin means that its saving the progress. You can configure the time between saving checkpoints.

3-First, how long did it take you to do just over 50% of that wu? Sometimes my rigs give me bogus times, I dont know why....I've seen the estimated time vary often in a day.

hope it helps a bit....

Bah its alright it sent one of them and the other vanished ...
F@H is very buggy since I started using it.
Sometimes my work units when I restart my computer just restart all over.
Very frustrating but then again I don't really care.
which version are you using ?

[timberwolf120]

I'm using the console version on my laptop and the GUI version on my desktop (Core 2 Duo E6300 stock).

I restarted the program and now it is giving me a more reasonable time. Still figured that a 5000 frame/step WU would go a lot faster though.

[westy87]

kinda like a staicase. You can have a staircase with 100 steps each a meter apart, or 1000 steps each 10cm apart. Just takes longer for each step wen there arent as many

[Enigmachine]

Weee for a moment there I beat Nocutius' performance! :) I finished a lot of WUs yesterday, and ended up being 7th best producer of the day... I noticed that just as I was shutting down a couple of my machines to save on the heat & electricity. Wups!
Too bad. :)


To think one day we will all have machines that can do these folding problems in seconds... :)

[Bio-Hazard]

If I would have kept all the old PII and PIII systems that I took in over the past few years I've have a huge folding farm. But instead, I just sort of recycled them by cleaning them up and giving them to low income families out here where I live for their kids to do school work on..........;)

It also keeps me from having a huge electric bill which I couldn't afford anyways.

[peti1212]

New to F@H...

3. I'm using the GUI version on my Core 2 Duo E6300 (stock) and it says that I have 2700/5000 frames completed. Under "WU End", it says:
12:46 Sun 28 Oct 07
47d:21h:27m:00s

Is this small WU really going to take over 47 days?!?!?! :jawdrop:


Thanks for the help guys. I'm sure I'll have more noob questions about F@H. :redface:

No, I believe that you restarted the client. Which then for about a half an hour or an hour will say bogus hours. After a few hours it should change back to the good time if you keep it running.

[westy87]

Well I just checked and aparently I completed my 15 yesterday or the day before :D Site says 16 done for the month, but its usually a day behind with updating that count

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=245349

Last 7 Months Production
Month Points WUs
09.07 4,056 16

[Bio-Hazard]

I've got 16 now as well and still climbing.........;) Should have 17 done later today.

[westy87]

Ye and I'm pretty sure I have my 75 posts done. I checked the "Find all Posts" thing, and I think there are 100 posts displayed per page? If so then I have about 90 posts or so (including all one liners)

I think I can take this one easy now and get some uni work done :D

[SonicWRX]

I turned off my GPUs lastnight and I am down to just the two CPU clients at work. I'd love to keep the GPUs going, but the heat just too much not to mention the electricity that is eating. I may try under clocking them so that they run cooler but can keep going. As it stands they get done with a 330 point work unit in about ten hours. I'd be happy with it taking 15-20 if it would not make so much heat and consume power like that.

Any thoughts on under cocking the cards?

[tomato]

Yeesh, you people and your faster folding machines :? :( If I keep this pace, I should make my 15 WU's for the month... and for the record, I never stopped folding from the end of the previous folding contest. I figure I may as well do my part so long as my system is powered up and running ;)

[Kougar]

Last I checked F@H on GPUs left the cards "underclocked" already by running them in "2D" clock mode, which is typically a good deal lower than the "3D" clock settings.

ATI Tool using a profile system would work for underclocking your card, but be aware that adjusting GPU clocks with F@H running can corrupt the F@H program or force it to start over. So do any clock adjustments before executing F@H.

[timberwolf120]

New issues for me... sorry guys...

Well, I found out why this 5000 "frame" work unit took longer than expected. I looked at the log and it says it is a 5,000,000 "step" WU. So "frames" and "steps" are equal... Not sure why they did it this way for the GUI and console version; both displaying it a bit differently.

Alright, onto the issue. The 5000 frame WU was supposed to finish this morning (PST). I wake up and it says "F@H Core download error (#9), waiting before retry". There were a few Core download errors that occured; #9 is what it is displaying as I'm writing this post. In the window, it says this under "Waiting for Core": Step 126. How many steps will it have to go through before it is resolved? Or how do I resolve this myself?

Oh, and does anyone else have any input about finished WU and their .exe files? One person said to just leave them. I want to know if it is ok to delete them.

[Kougar]

Don't delete them because it is likely they will be used again. If missing the program will redownload them, but it is best to leave them alone and save Stanford a little bandwidth.

You should check to see if the program was able to upload its results. That error means it couldn't download a new unit to work on... if that comp's net connection still works you might try restarting the program.

[timberwolf120]

Don't delete them because it is likely they will be used again. If missing the program will redownload them, but it is best to leave them alone and save Stanford a little bandwidth.

You should check to see if the program was able to upload its results. That error means it couldn't download a new unit to work on... if that comp's net connection still works you might try restarting the program.

I guess you are right in not deleting the .exe files. It is folding Core_7b.exe again.

I checked and it hasn't uploaded the results. I should have 3 but it only shows 2 that my laptop did. The 1 from my desktop didn't show, which is the one having these Core errors. I have tried rebooting the program but to no avail......

[SonicWRX]

I guess you are right in not deleting the .exe files. It is folding Core_7b.exe again.

I checked and it hasn't uploaded the results. I should have 3 but it only shows 2 that my laptop did. The 1 from my desktop didn't show, which is the one having these Core errors. I have tried rebooting the program but to no avail......

I have noticed the some WU require a specific core it is not always the one with the highest number. Best to just keep them all that way it right there ready to go when it is needed.

:keepfolding:

[timberwolf120]

I haven't deleted any of them. Still trying to figure out the problem on my desktop.
It is on Core Download Error 13 now... Should I just erase everything and start all over? I kind of don't want to because it was such a huge WU...

[sushrukh]

Are you using any Firewall ? If you are, then try creating a rule in the firewall software to allow the Fah client.

[timberwolf120]

Are you using any Firewall ? If you are, then try creating a rule in the firewall software to allow the Fah client.

I'm notified if a new program is blocked by the firewall. But just in case, I manually added the F@H application. Still no luck. WU wasn't uploaded and now I'm at Core Download Error #14.

Only have a total of 2 WU up. Wasting time here. I might have to either reinstall the GUI version and try again or use the console version. If both fails, then it could be Vista's fault.

EDIT:
Well, I guess it is up to my laptop now to do 15...........
Should have 2 done already. Says 2 in the table but the certificate only says 1.....
F@H doesn't like me.

[westy87]

Dont worry about the certificate, it takes ages for that to change

[Schwarz]

Same for me.
I'm getting screwed over and over by stanford.
It records half of the wus I do.
I don't really care though, its not like i'm actually doing something lol :p
But it should go faster.

[the_dope_chaud]

I'm getting screwed over and over by stanford.

hahaha
I dont think thats the point....

[slugbug]

Hey, is anyone else having problems accessing the F@H site?
The team stats section has been down all day.

[Bio-Hazard]

Just checked the Team stats page and got this:

Network Error (tcp_error)

A communication error occurred: "Operation timed out" The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a later time.
For assistance, contact your network support team.

Guess it's still down...........:(

[zachig]

Yeah...unfrotunately still DOWN :frown:. I just noticed that 1-2 hours ago...

Hope it won't screw up my last 2 WUs that were almost completed, as I currently have 12 WUs completed and was hoping to have 14 soon...;-)

[Nocutius]

I think i lost one WU today, it says it couldn't be sent. I have around 26 WUs finished, so that is not a problem, but it sucks wasting electricity for no reason.

[westy87]

It should sent that work unit eventually

[the_dope_chaud]

yeah, this morning its not working, but my f@h finished a unit and started another one...

[sushrukh]

Hey, is anyone else having problems accessing the F@H site?
The team stats section has been down all day.

I've lost one WU because of this problem.It's still down.Never seen Stanford site down for this long time.One question though, are the other sites from which we can check the stats receive their info directly from the original Stanford site ? Then it's not possible to get the most updated info even from other sites too ?

[Bio-Hazard]

WU's should be kept in the queue and will be sent when the servers come back up, you shouldn't loose anything. The queue will keep up to 10 WU's..........;)

[peti1212]

I've lost one WU because of this problem.It's still down.Never seen Stanford site down for this long time.One question though, are the other sites from which we can check the stats receive their info directly from the original Stanford site ? Then it's not possible to get the most updated info even from other sites too ?

Yeah Sushrukh, I believe that you are right. The other websites check the Stanford website for updates, and I believe that's how they update themselves.

[sushrukh]

WU's should be kept in the queue and will be sent when the servers come back up, you shouldn't loose anything. The queue will keep up to 10 WU's..........;)

Ya, Bio that should have been better.I think, the problem occured when the client was sending the result.The data may got corrupted while it was trying to send but was not successful to send it due to the server problems.I've not deleted anything from the F@H folder,so it should have tried to send the result automatically again from the queue but it just started folding another WU of 1500 frames without let me knowing what happend to my previous 1250 framed WU. :frown:

Yeah Sushrukh, I believe that you are right. The other websites check the Stanford website for updates, and I believe that's how they update themselves.

That means we won't get to know actually how many WUs we have folded untill the site gets back online.Right ?

[Bio-Hazard]

Stanford has a ton of servers, so regardless of what site is tracking F@H standings they still have to query Stanfords servers and if the team is on a down server when they update, the team standings will remain the same until the down server comes back up and the site does another update. Pretty simple really.

[Bio-Hazard]

Ya, Bio that should have been better.I think, the problem occured when the client was sending the result.The data may got corrupted while it was trying to send but was not successful to send it due to the server problems.I've not deleted anything from the F@H folder,so it should have tried to send the result automatically again from the queue but it just started folding another WU of 1500 frames without let me knowing what happend to my previous 1250 framed WU. :frown:

The queue won't dump the completed WU until the one trying to be sent is completed, just check your queue and it should be there. Restarting F@H also forces the program to try and resend all completed WU's in the Queue.

[slugbug]

Stats is still down :ahhhhh: I should be getting close to my required 15 WU's, but I'm not sure how many exactly.

Read this on their site:

Some buildings at the medical school (and perhaps more broadly) are having an unplanned network outage. We're working with them to see what we can do. For now, we're mainly waiting on them, while we investigate other possible fixes.

For the most part, FAH's built in redundancies in our server-side backend is working well, so I think we'll be ok, but just a heads up to all the folders (and especially in case the networking gets worse and we can't post updates).

[Bio-Hazard]

That's why I like the GUI version, it tells you exactly how many your core has finished.........:)

[sushrukh]

F@H came online for 5 minutes & went offline again.

[trueg50]

I apologize for the size, first time using imageshack and uploading pictures.

It shows I am at "57500 out of 250000 steps" So does that mean I have a WU that is 250000 steps and I am 57500 steps done with it?

This is currently being run on a Toshiba laptop with a 2.6ghz Pentium 4, so it is very slow.

[img=http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6500/foldingtq9.th.jpg] (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foldingtq9.jpg)

[Bio-Hazard]

F@H came online for 5 minutes & went offline again.


This is what I just got..................:icon_tiphat:. Hope this clears things up.
The Folding@Home stats server is down for maintenance until noon pacific time. Please try back later.

9/13/2007, 10am: Update on net outage: everything is looking good. Our web server is back up and we're doing a stats system update. When that's done, we'll open up the stats again. It should be ready by noon, unless something comes up.

[sushrukh]

Ya, i'm also getting this message now but i've seen in the meantime that you have got 17 WUs. :)
Hopefully the site will come back online on the time they have specified.

EDIT :- F@H is online now again. :)

[Schwarz]

Whats the (*&(*& point of using both cores when F@H registers only one WU everytime I finish 2 of them...
Its ridiculous both of the are uploaded correctly but on the site I only get on recorded.
Really annoying.

[zachig]

EDIT :- F@H is online now again. :)
Yeah, I've just noticed that the "Team Stats" is up and running again...:grin: And I just saw that I currently have 237 WUs!!! 13 of them were processed this month! :) So 2 more to go...;-) Of course, even after I'll complete all 15 required WUs, I'll keep folding! :icon_tiphat:

[peti1212]

I apologize for the size, first time using imageshack and uploading pictures.

It shows I am at "57500 out of 250000 steps" So does that mean I have a WU that is 250000 steps and I am 57500 steps done with it?

This is currently being run on a Toshiba laptop with a 2.6ghz Pentium 4, so it is very slow.

[img=http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6500/foldingtq9.th.jpg] (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foldingtq9.jpg)

Yes, that's right! :)

[trueg50]

Yes, that's right! :)

Drats, I was hoping you would say otherwise. I have been running this for about the equivilant of 20 hours now, and have only got to 70,000 / 250,000. :frown:

I hope I can get my core 2 rig back on its feet before the month is over.

[westy87]

Yes that 23 you see in your picture means 23% done.

[the_dope_chaud]

woohoo !!! 12 WUs down, 3 to go !!!

[Bio-Hazard]

18 WU's finished and keeping on folding.......;)

[zachig]

18 WU's finished and keeping on folding.......;)
WELL DONE Steven! :grin: I'm still waiting for my last 2 WUs to finish as I currently have 13 completed, but of course, I'll keep folding afterwards...;-)

[the_dope_chaud]

I'm in, I just got home and noticed 15 WUs done, watch out contest, here I come.

[trueg50]

I'm in, I just got home and noticed 15 WUs done, watch out contest, here I come.

I just got home and noticed "File IO error" and 30 hours of work, and my first WU I was working on was a goner :frown::frown:

Darn Pentium 4 laptop!:frown:

[zachig]

I just got home and noticed "File IO error" and 30 hours of work, and my first WU I was working on was a goner :frown::frown:

Darn Pentium 4 laptop!:frown:
Damn, that really sucks...:frown: Anyway, I wish you all the best and hopefully this "faulty" WU won't prevent you from completeing all 15 required WUs in order to be eligible for the contest! ;-)

GOOD LUCK...:icon_tiphat:

[westy87]

I can always change my F@H username to urs and do some wu's for u at say, $5 a work unit? Lol, jks jks mate

[borschtBomber[SS]]

lol, well 10 down for me and 5 to go. :)

[zachig]

;97432']lol, well 10 down for me and 5 to go. :)
Damn, still waiting for my two long-waited 1500000 WUs to complete, as I currently have 13 WUs completed and it has been like that already for several days..:???:

But I'm not worried, I'll probably complete over 20 WUs by the time the contest will end...:lol:

[sushrukh]

Damn, still waiting for my two long-waited 1500000 WUs to complete, as I currently have 13 WUs completed and it has been like that already for several days..:???:

Same here.Maybe a noob question but is it possible that if the F@H server is busy & slow, your WUs will take more time to complete ? I just can't understand why the same framed WUs which has been completed earlier were faster than the last few WUs of same 1500 frames. :wink:

But I'm not worried, I'll probably complete over 20 WUs by the time the contest will end...:lol:

Make that 30 & you'll get an additional entry in the contest.Jk.:lol:

[zachig]

Same here.Maybe a noob question but is it possible that if the F@H server is busy & slow, your WUs will take more time to complete ? I just can't understand why the same framed WUs which has been completed earlier were faster than the last few WUs of same 1500 frames. :wink:
I'm not sure if a busy/slow server will affect the processing of WUs :roll:...sorry I can comment on this one...:icon_tiphat:
Make that 30 & you'll get an additional entry in the contest.Jk.:lol:
I wish this was true...:lol:

[Bio-Hazard]

Same here.Maybe a noob question but is it possible that if the F@H server is busy & slow, your WUs will take more time to complete ? I just can't understand why the same framed WUs which has been completed earlier were faster than the last few WUs of same 1500 frames. :wink:

How could the F@H server effect the performance of your system when you're folding ............:ahhhhh: Think about it, it folds at the same rate if you're connected to the net or not..............:icon_tiphat:.

Each WU will and can fold at a different speed regardless if they are the same core and frame count as the makeup of each WU is different . Now if they have the same WU number and everything they should fold the same if you aren't doing anything different on your rig, use your rig, the WU's will slow down, pretty simple really.

[sushrukh]

Thanks Bio.Actually as i'm a complete noob,i was thinking that a small amount of project files constantly need to get in touch with the server.I'm not doing any other things on my rig while folding except the net activities.

[zachig]

WOOHOO!!! :ole:

I've finally completed 15 WUs since the beginning of September. :yes:

At first I had 224 completed WUs and now I have 239!!! :grin:

So...MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!! :icon_tiphat:

Anyway, of course I will :keepfolding:...;-)

[trueg50]

Good work Zachig!

Was this leaving your machine folding 24/7, or just most of the day?

[zachig]

Good work Zachig!

Was this leaving your machine folding 24/7, or just most of the day?
Thanks!!! :grin:

I'm folding on two machines, one at work, which is folding 24/7 (as most of the time I'm not using it, as I use my Laptop...;-)) and I'm also folding on my E6600 at home, when I'm not working on it...:smile:

[SonicWRX]

Good work Zachig!

I just checked my stats and some how i jumped up to 26 WU done. I guess i still had a few waiting to post when i shut down my ATi Cards. I turned one back on for the week en but that only accounts for 6 of the WU. It can go two a day.

[zachig]

Good work Zachig!

I just checked my stats and some how i jumped up to 26 WU done. I guess i still had a few waiting to post when i shut down my ATi Cards. I turned one back on for the week en but that only accounts for 6 of the WU. It can go two a day.
WOW!!! Well done!!! :icon_tiphat: That's quite impressive how those ATI cards can fold...:jawdrop:

[SonicWRX]

WOW!!! Well done!!! :icon_tiphat: That's quite impressive how those ATI cards can fold...:jawdrop:

Yeah they are not bad but remember that they are special work units just for them. kinda like the PS3. Each one is 330 points not sure on the frame count as i use the console version and i never think to look for it. The console version just gives you a % complete readout.

One thing i did find out is that with both my X1950 Pros running each work unit takes about 13 hours to finish. When running only one card (the primary) it takes only 10 hours to finish one. So there is some dependency on the system. My system is an AMD at 1.9Ghz, 2 gigs of RAM and 4 160gb hard drives in RAID0.

[westy87]

Yeah they are not bad but remember that they are special work units just for them. kinda like the PS3. Each one is 330 points not sure on the frame count as i use the console version and i never think to look for it. The console version just gives you a % complete readout.

One thing i did find out is that with both my X1950 Pros running each work unit takes about 13 hours to finish. When running only one card (the primary) it takes only 10 hours to finish one. So there is some dependency on the system. My system is an AMD at 1.9Ghz, 2 gigs of RAM and 4 160gb hard drives in RAID0.

4 160's in raid 0? Do they still only show up as 160gb? Cause I know if you made a raid 0+1 out of those 4 u would get 320gb of space plus speed of 0 and dependability of 1

[SonicWRX]

No they show up as 600ish Gig single drive. I don't care about safe guarding my data on that box every thing on it is recoverable form CD. Id rather have the Extra speed of the extra spindles. It's just used for gaming and not even very often for that.

[westy87]

Ahh ok good to know then

[trueg50]

Does any one fold on their GPU?

I was just curious if it would be productive to run one console on one core (of a Pentium D) while running the GPU client (that way there is one core devoted to the GPU). Or just the GPU client, or just SMP?

[zachig]

Does any one fold on their GPU?

I was just curious if it would be productive to run one console on one core (of a Pentium D) while running the GPU client (that way there is one core devoted to the GPU). Or just the GPU client, or just SMP?
See post #201 above...SonicWRX is folding on his ATI cards...:lol:

[SonicWRX]

Does any one fold on their GPU?

I was just curious if it would be productive to run one console on one core (of a Pentium D) while running the GPU client (that way there is one core devoted to the GPU). Or just the GPU client, or just SMP?

When folding with the GPU it is recommended that you leave on CPU core open for communication with the GPU. Very little CPU power is needed but it will slow both your CPU and GPU down if you have both running a FAH core.

I believe but am not sure but the GPU core still uses Main system Memory So to keep speeds at there best you need to keep a path open to it, and that path runs though the CPU.

[Nocutius]

You absolutely have to have one free cpu core when folding with the gpu, otherwise it will seriously slow both of them down.

[trueg50]

When folding with the GPU it is recommended that you leave on CPU core open for communication with the GPU. Very little CPU power is needed but it will slow both your CPU and GPU down if you have both running a FAH core.

I believe but am not sure but the GPU core still uses Main system Memory So to keep speeds at there best you need to keep a path open to it, and that path runs though the CPU.

So one core for the GPU and one folding sounds like it will work.

[SonicWRX]

Yes it will work. With a daul core CPU to have one core folding and the other to aid the GPU in its folding.

http://forum.folding-community.org/forum54,windows-gpu-client-core-issues.html

This link should answer all the questions you could ever have. :keepfolding:

[Bio-Hazard]

Yesterday I started folding for a different name and I've already finished 3 WU's with another 2 due to finish later today, so that'll make 5 WU's in less than 24 hours. Where were these small fast WU's when I was trying to get mine done for the contest, all I got then were ones that took a day or more to complete.

[trueg50]

Yesterday I started folding for a different name and I've already finished 3 WU's with another 2 due to finish later today, so that'll make 5 WU's in less than 24 hours. Where were these small fast WU's when I was trying to get mine done for the contest, all I got then were ones that took a day or more to complete.

Know what you mean, I just had one 5,000,000 step WU on one core, then a 20,000 unit on the other, it was dang nice seeing it zip through at 2.5 minutes a percent.

[Bio-Hazard]

Those small ones don't seem to come around all that often, but when they do, they seem to come in groups. I think I finished a total of 7 WU's yesterday, 6 for the free world and 1 for myself, now I'm back to the noral sized ones again

[darkorb]

i run 2 console versions, and all my WU's are 250,000 sized ones.
takes 30-40 mins for 1%

[Bio-Hazard]

I'm running the GUI version and it shows the stats a bit different. But norrmaly I finish 1 WU perday for the normal 1500 frame WU's, but yesterday I was getting a bunch of 20 and 100 frame ones, they just really fly.

[darkorb]

SUsh, here is your stats.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=272487

it showing that you HAVE INDEED got ur 17WU's. So you're fine :D

[zachig]

SUsh, here is your stats.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=272487

it showing that you HAVE INDEED got ur 17WU's. So you're fine :D
I really don't know what you want from sush!

I'm pretty sure he already knew he has 17 WUs...:icon_tiphat:

[sushrukh]

SUsh, here is your stats.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=272487

it showing that you HAVE INDEED got ur 17WU's. So you're fine :D

Ya Dark.I know friend,that i've completed the criteria.Wouldn't it be nicer if we all could achieve that ? :)

Thanks for the information though my friend. :icon_tiphat: I'm still folding.Currently getting all the 5000 framed WUs.So, i think, i can manage to get a total of 18-19 WUs in this month. ;-)

[Bio-Hazard]

Ya Dark.I know friend,that i've completed the criteria.Wouldn't it be nicer if we all could achieve that ? :)

Thanks for the information though my friend. :icon_tiphat: I'm still folding.Currently getting all the 5000 framed WUs.So, i think, i can manage to get a total of 18-19 WUs in this month. ;-)
It sure would be nice but it seems that there are a few that won't..........:icon_tiphat:

[peti1212]

It sure would be nice but it seems that there are a few that won't..........:icon_tiphat:

I keep folding, but it takes incredibelly long time to fold on my Pentium 4 3.4Ghz processor. Each percent is like 35min apart if not more. The reason why I got all 15 done so quick is because I had a quad-core computer running also but now I only have a single-core processor. I do have 16 wus now but I will finish up my 17th one soon. ;)

[sushrukh]

Have anyone yet got any 20 framed Wu ? I didn't yet know that there is a 20 framed WU too.I thought that the 100 WU is the lowest.

[westy87]

I have no idea what you mean with frames as I use console client and its all in steps. Right now I'm working on a 250000step and a 4000000 step unit. I had a few become corrupt cause as summer is approaching it warmed up heaps and my OC became unstable, time to upgrade my cooler I think

[timberwolf120]

yeah, frames are different from steps. I believe the conversion is like 1 frame = 1000 steps.

I used both versions a while back. Console on my laptop and GUI on my desktop. I believe you can look in your worklog for the GUI version and it will tell you the steps completed out of the total, instead of in frames.

[darkorb]

currently i got 2 5,000,000 step WU going

57% complete, 2,850,000 out of 5 Million.

approx 20 min for 1 % on one core, and 30mins on the other

[tyle6]

ok, anyone know how i check my monthly stats? or do i just gestimate?

[sushrukh]

ok, anyone know how i check my monthly stats? or do i just gestimate?

Here you can :- http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=278841

Scroll down the page untill you find a tab called " Last 7 Months Production ". There you'll find all the WUs you have achieved per month.Other stats are available too,like Last 24 hours or last 7 days.You have 4 WUs done already.

[zachig]

WOOHOO!!! I've just completed my 15 WUs for October!!! :grin:

GOOD LUCK everyone in the current contest and KEEP FOLDING!!! :keepfolding:

[westy87]

I went on hollidays for a week and gettin stuff ready for air force application so I wont really be around much or folding much this month.

[Nocutius]

Air force wow. That's wild, good luck with that.

[peti1212]

Too bad I cannot put Folding @ Home on our school computers, because we have about 40 Pentium D's and about 20 Pentium 4's, and the rest of them are still crappy Pentium 3's but we are suppose to get new computers this year which is suppose to be a core 2 duo. :) So imagine about 300 core 2 duo computers working on Folding @ Home, now you could easily beat Das Capitolin with that. :)

[raidersforever01]

I might be able to do that pretty soon depending if i get the Job as the schools tech guy. The first person quit and the new guy that he recommended might get fired because he is just as lazy as the guy he replaced. Its a small school though so its only about 30 computers in the entire school.

[werty316]

If you are hired make sure you are allowed to load the app on the school computers or your employment may be short lived.

[westy87]

omg...I just got 2 work units that take n hour to do 1 percent!

If you P2149...be afraid...be very afraid!

woops came out a lil small, ill upload to fileshack n edit in a sec

here ya go
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8476/foldinghy2.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foldinghy2.jpg)

[westy87]

OK so I restarted the clients and they are now working propperly, noooo idea what happened before. Now getting 1% every 15mins

[peti1212]

I find it wierd that sometimes the client does not use the SSE or SSE2 and then it works really slow. I keep restarting my client untill I see that comming up. If you check your log you should now see that on the beggining where the first percentage is written out. :)

[Kougar]

If for whatever reason F@H is interrupted, such as if the system crashes or reboots without the program being closed down first it will default twith the SSE and other CPU instructions disabled upon the next time it is started. SSE, SSE2 and other CPU instruction sets obviously provide a huge boost in performance when a program is built to make use of them.

As Peti said the client console it will state if it is using SSE instructions or not when first loading... if the program didn't get a chance to shut down tidily ya can start it up and let it fully load, before closing it back down and restarting it to re-enable the SSE/related optimizations.

[zachig]

As Peti said the client console it will state if it is using SSE instructions or not when first loading... if the program didn't get a chance to shut down tidily ya can start it up and let it fully load, before closing it back down and restarting it to re-enable the SSE/related optimizations.
I didn't know that...:redface:

Thanks for the useful information. :icon_tiphat:

[peti1212]

Nice explanation. I didn't know that either, why it was doing that. Now I know. :) Thanks

[westy87]

Only 1 more work unit to go. Hehe, barely did any folding and still gonna make the 15 needed

[bobletman]

lol i started folding at the 22 and im gonna make it. WOOT oc'd quad core ftw.

[zachig]

It seems that some more people will be able to make it before the contest ends! :grin:

GOOD LUCK westy87 and bobletman! ;-)

And...since the contest is going to end soon, I just want to say GOOD LUCK (for the last time..;-)) to all the people who take part...:icon_tiphat:

[bobletman]

hehe thank you.

[zachig]

hehe thank you.
You're welcome! :icon_tiphat:

[PP Mguire]

K guys, got a solid connection and im in.

[zachig]

I think I've reached around 22-23 WUs this month, but I had to quit folding for now, because there are too many thunders, lightenings and storms nowadays, so I don't want to keep my PC working all night, as I'm too afraid it might get damaged...:???:

Hopefully in the next few days the weather will get better and then I'll keep folding...:icon_tiphat:

[=CDU=Above]

I just deleted the GUI ve