Prediction?

[goldenchessboard]

Crysis:

>All settings very high
>Max resolution
>Max AA/AF
>DX10 on Vista

any predictions when this will be possible on an 'average' comp?

[srpeters18]

I'm going to assume that "average comp" is anything you could buy at Best Buy or maybe from Dell.

2 years.

[Miker]

2-4 Years.

PS. Dell makes some of the fastest PCs now with the XPS.

[srpeters18]

I wasn't talking about a $4000 loaded XPS, I was looking at more of the mainstream, ie anything under 2000. Not many people are going to spend that much money on an XPS if they can build their own, cheaper, and still faster since you have the ability to OC it.

[Sadasius]

I would say at least 3 years.

[werty316]

A long ass time.

[Miker]

Loaded XPS is like $15k...

[Frag Maniac]

What you're asking in the thread title is much too vague. Max resolution could mean 2560x1600, which most don't use. As, well does "average" comp to you include SLI setups? IMO average does not include SLI OR 2560x1600. I would say it won't be until at least mid year when the 9800GTXs are released, but even then many would not consider such componentry average. It would have been more precise if you'd mentioned a build budget and whether it includes the price of the monitor rather than saying average.

[goldenchessboard]

What you're asking in the thread title is much too vague. Max resolution could mean 2560x1600, which most don't use. As, well does "average" comp to you include SLI setups? IMO average does not include SLI OR 2560x1600. I would say it won't be until at least mid year when the 9800GTXs are released, but even then many would not consider such componentry average. It would have been more precise if you'd mentioned a build budget and whether it includes the price of the monitor rather than saying average.

I'd say an average comp would be around $1200, including moniter, custom comp. This is prolly a reasonable price, maybe slightly above average.
Max resolution doesnt mean the 30 inch moniters.. just 20-22 inch, so say 1680 x 1050. a while ago, comps had trouble running say.. CS:source. now we can easily run it on max. just wondering how long till crysis becomes one of those games

[Nocutius]

Maybe geforce 9 series will come close, but i guess we will probably have to wait until series 10 comes out. Unless of course there is some sort of a breakthrough in SLI or Crossfire efficiency. Anyway i don't care about Crysis that much anymore, i was somewhat hyped when it was released, but it turned out to be more or less just a regular FPS. Far Cry 2 looks promising though, being open ended and all.

[darkorb]

well source came out like 3-4 years ago?

[Frag Maniac]

Anyway i don't care about Crysis that much anymore, i was somewhat hyped when it was released, but it turned out to be more or less just a regular FPS.I 'd have to agree there, I've played it maybe a half dozen times in the two weeks I've owned it and already I'm bored with it. Far Cry had more replay value than Crysis and had lots of custom sp maps made that were very good too because it wasn't hard to get the AI right.

[werty316]

:offtopic:

Well the developers at Crytek said Crysis was 2 or 3 years head of anything that is curently out.

[Nocutius]

Maybe it is, but Far Cry 2 should be released in this quarter if i'm not mistaken and it looks almost as gorgeous. It has my vote as one of the most promising games of this year, maybe it won't be as demanding as crysis but the gameplay should be better cause you don't play as some sort of a superman character.
Even though your health will auto replenish after a while like in crysis and some other games, i don't know where this fashion came from. If med packs are stupid this way is even worse, well we'll see.

[goldenchessboard]

Maybe it is, but Far Cry 2 should be released in this quarter if i'm not mistaken and it looks almost as gorgeous. It has my vote as one of the most promising games of this year, maybe it won't be as demanding as crysis but the gameplay should be better cause you don't play as some sort of a superman character.

my and my friend talked about this.. I think the nanosuit is a great asset. If the AI was stronger (ie. bulletproof vests) and smarter, i'd definitely prefer the nano suit over a normal guy. the nano suit gives the game a lot more excitement.. theres so many cool things to do with it. far cry 2 would seem like a grand theft auto, except on a tropical island.

anyhow, i'm defininetely anticipating it.. hopefully they do a much better job than the first. the physics appear far better than crysis (this is DX10 though), graphics probably arent as good though.

what i'm worried about is, what the differences will be between crysis, crysis 2, crysis 3, and far cry 2: they sure all have pretty islands and water :D

[Frag Maniac]

...your health will auto replenish after a while like in crysis and some other games...Actually that's not entirely true regarding FC 2. From what I recall there are animations if you brush by fire and what not where your character will pat it out, but if you get seriously woulded you have to stop and dig a bullet out. There are several AI in the game you ally with too that need to help you sometimes when you're overwhelmed. It's not going to be a simple duck and recover game.

That being said I'm rather upset they didn't go the full mile and add predators. Supposedly the excuse was they didn't want to take the time to balance the AI so the predators didn't eat all the herbivores. They said they wanted to concentrate their efforts elsewhere.To me that sounds like nothing but a constant shoot em up romp through what would otherwise be a realistic savanna setting.

I don't expect to see predators everywhere, esp with so much gunplay going on. They could have placed them away from roads and encampments though and I don't buy that the predator/herbivore balancing would be all that difficult. You do that by placement of species and limiting how often the predators make a kill. Predators don't just stalk and kill constantly, they can actually go for sometime without killing after eating and some such as lions spend a lot of time just lounging.

I suspect this will be yet another game that feels unfinished until modded well. Some have already said they'd like to try and make a predator mod though, so there's still hope for a more realistic, less run n gun setting.

[pc_man_iac]

Actually that's not entirely true regarding FC 2. From what I recall there are animations if you brush by fire and what not where your character will pat it out, but if you get seriously woulded you have to stop and dig a bullet out. There are several AI in the game you ally with too that need to help you sometimes when you're overwhelmed. It's not going to be a simple duck and recover game.

That being said I'm rather upset they didn't go the full mile and add predators. Supposedly the excuse was they didn't want to take the time to balance the AI so the predators didn't eat all the herbivores. They said they wanted to concentrate their efforts elsewhere.To me that sounds like nothing but a constant shoot em up romp through what would otherwise be a realistic savanna setting.

I don't expect to see predators everywhere, esp with so much gunplay going on. They could have placed them away from roads and encampments though and I don't buy that the predator/herbivore balancing would be all that difficult. You do that by placement of species and limiting how often the predators make a kill. Predators don't just stalk and kill constantly, they can actually go for sometime without killing after eating and some such as lions spend a lot of time just lounging.

I suspect this will be yet another game that feels unfinished until modded well. Some have already said they'd like to try and make a predator mod though, so there's still hope for a more realistic, less run n gun setting.

tl;dr

O'rearry?

[Nocutius]

That being said I'm rather upset they didn't go the full mile and add predators.

No predators really? Hmm well that is not so good. The world would feel so much more alive if they'd include them, imagine Stalker without all the wildlife.
As long as someone creates a proper mod it's ok.

[Frag Maniac]

Yep, no predators, and keep in mind this is a project both developed and published by Ubi, so the decisions, timeline, and budget is totally in their hands, rather than someone else telling them what guidelines they have to follow.

Though this game will have some nice RGP elements that will set it apart from typical shooters, not having any balance of hostility between animal and NPC will make it lean toward the gunplay more than the environment, taking away much of it's unique nature.

White Gold: War in Paradise (follows Boiling Point) just might succeed where FC2 fails. Word is you can even grab a shark's fin and be towed by it in that game.

[Kougar]

Well, I don't know for sure but supposedly Assassin's Creed will make Crysis look like a low-end game as far as system requirements go... how about these minimum requirements for ya? And people say Vista uses to much hard drive space... :lol:

http://www.dailytech.com/Assassins+Creed+Will+Stealth+Kill+Your+PC/article10436.htm (http://www.dailytech.com/Assassins+Creed+Will+Stealth+Kill+Your+PC/article10436.htm)

[Miker]

Do you really need a Dual-Core or can a good single like I have run it?

[pc_man_iac]

Really need a dual core, I saw this in Shadow Run, I installed it on my friends system when he had his FX53, and his 7950gt, you could see there was clear lag, but the movement was smooth so it wasn't video it was like you would move the mouse then a bit later you would turn, and as soon as he upgraded to dual core like 2months later, and ran it, still had the 7950gt, all was fine(no more of that lag), and the FX53 is prolly an equivalent procc to yours Miker, and same vid as you(well his was PCI-E), so...

[werty316]

A dualcore does help somewhat.

[Nocutius]

Higher system requirements than Crysis hmm, is the game running in some sort of an emulator or something:). The graphics are not better, maybe the physics require more horsepower.

[Frag Maniac]

Well, I don't know for sure but supposedly Assassin's Creed will make Crysis look like a low-end game as far as system requirements go... how about these minimum requirements for ya? And people say Vista uses to much hard drive space.It's not the HD space that baffles me, after all GoW and Crysis both require 12GB. What gets me is you can go as low as an X1300 or 6600 video card yet a dual core CPU is required even for minimum spec? The video card generally handles 90% of the load except for physics, AI, etc. I didn't think that game was any heavier in physics than Crysis, which I can run on a single core just fine.

Then again last I recall the Ubi devs were not sure if they could make min reqs for FC2 doable on single core. Ubi certainly aren't the best at optimizing their games though.

[srpeters18]

Saw something the other day that I'd never seen before. I'm not really familiar with the physics cards. Is that something that would help those run better? Is that something that can even be used with the video cards that everybody is running now?

[Frag Maniac]

Overall physics cards have not been well received because there aren't many games that work with them and they tend to be high priced. The cards can't just be plugged in and used with any game like ATI's Crossfire Supertiling mode is with graphics. The game has to have physics specifically written for the card such as the GRAW series of games were for the Aegia cards.

Quad core CPUs are common now too and it won't be long before Intel will have a quad CPU with multilevel shared cache, integral memory controller, Quick Path interconnects, and two threads per core data processing. Thus there will be less need for such hardware as the CPU will be better equipped to handle the physics.