8800 512 GTS or 9800 GTX

[Goliath182]

Im unsure at what to do. I could buy a GTS now but idk. The 9800 GTX is supposed to be about the same thing. Also do you think there will be a big price drop when the higher end 9 series cards come out?

[Miker]

8s will drop, and don't trust any review ATM, wait for the card to come out before you say it will be about the same.

[Goliath182]

8s will drop, and don't trust any review ATM, wait for the card to come out before you say it will be about the same.

True but if your useing the same core at about the same speeds it is highly likely that you wont notice a difference and it may be possible to OC a GTS to a GTX level but well have to see. And anyone got a estimate at how much they will drop?

[AJ.]

There's always the other option of buying a HD 3870 X2. The new GTX will probably be on par with it. I wouldn't be surprised if the X2 has an edge over it, either. To top it off, it'll will probably be cheaper than the GTX, too.

Support ATI dammit! :lol:

[Goliath182]

I hate ATI me and my uncle are in a competion and he just bought a 3870 so i have to buy a better Nvidia card to show up his ATI junk.

[AJ.]

I hate ATI me and my uncle are in a competion and he just bought a 3870 so i have to buy a better Nvidia card to show up his ATI junk.

Without his "ATI junk" you would probably pay 2x the amount you would for your Nvidia junk. ;-)

[Goliath182]

No actualy i pay slightly more and get more than 2x the card =).

[AJ.]

No actualy i pay slightly more and get more than 2x the card =).

Are you sure you're looking at the right card? It sounds like you're talking about a voodoo5 or something. :lol:

The 3870 X2 is a better value than the 8800 Ultra. You pay nealry half the price of the Ultra and get just about on par performance if not better in some applications with the X2.

That's why Intel, Microsoft, Epic Games, and Nvidia were running 3870 X2's in all their systems at this years Game Developer Conference..... Ok, I'm lying about the Nvidia part. :lol:

But the rest is true. ;-)

[Goliath182]

Are you sure you're looking at the right card? It sounds like you're talking about a voodoo5 or something. :lol:

The 3870 X2 is a better value than the 8800 Ultra. You pay nealry half the price of the Ultra and get just about on par performance if not better in some applications with the X2.

That's why Intel, Microsoft, Epic Games, and Nvidia were running 3870 X2's in all their systems at this years Game Developer Conference..... Ok, I'm lying about the Nvidia part. :lol:

But the rest is true. ;-)

Looked at a 8800 GT lately? More power than a 3870 and the same price.

[AJ.]

Have you seen the prices lately? ;-)

Cheapest 3870 off newegg. $185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102719

Cheapest 8800GT off newegg. $230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130318

That's a $45 difference. I rest my case. :icon_tiphat:

[Goliath182]

Lol why dont you swing on over to Tiger Direct there 209 there =P and so are 3870s.

[AJ.]

Why would I when I could still get the 3870 for cheaper elsewhere? :lol:

[Goliath182]

At any rate the 8800 GT is still a better card and can be had at the same price as a 3870 and cheaper depending on what brands you compare.

[AJ.]

At any rate the 8800 GT is still a better card and can be had at the same price as a 3870 and cheaper depending on what brands you compare.

Just for kicks, find me one brand new 8800GT from a online retailer with NO rebates, just like the sapphire card, for under $185.

And no, Ebay doesn't count. lol

If you find it, I'll agree with you on your statement above. If you don't, you'll have to say (or type) this word for word:

"ATI/AMD rules and Intel and Nvidia sucks donkey balls"

Deal? :smile:

[Goliath182]

Amazon =P lol
but they have a something some maker i forgot dont remember ATI makers very much but there 3870 was 275 =P and another for 245. Same prices of the 8800 Gt =p. And all Amd does is recycle there old 939 cores =p.

[AJ.]

Amazon =P lol
but they have a something some maker i forgot dont remember ATI makers very much but there 3870 was 275 =P and another for 245. Same prices of the 8800 Gt =p.

You must be talking about when the 3870's were launched. They were selling like hot cakes and there wasn't enough demand, hence, price inflation. But let's forget about the past and talk about present. ;-)

I still need a link to a brand new 8800GT 512MB card for under $184.99 lol.

[Goliath182]

>.< no thats the price of one now but i think its like the Bfg cards that cost too much and are the same thing.

[Goliath182]

Ive got a question lol why do you have a BFG 8800 GT? lol someone goin back on ATI eh? Thats a AM2 socket CPU you got right? cause i know 939 are the same numbers. I used to have a 939... my first dual core CPU =D. It was beast back in the day cause i went from a P4 at 2 Ghz and all of the sudden i could do more than one thing at a time.

[AJ.]

>.< no thats the price of one now but i think its like the Bfg cards that cost too much and are the same thing.

BFG don't do ATI cards. Regardless, that wasn't my challenge. You said;

the 8800 GT is still a better card and can be had at the same price as a 3870 and cheaper depending on what brands you compare.

I found a Sapphire 3870 512MB card for $185 off newegg. Find me a brand new 8800GT 512MB card (any brand) for less than that. Simple as that.....

Let me know when you give up. :lol:

[Goliath182]

yea... ive just been lookin up scuzzy drives for the few minutes lol. been thinkin about upgrading to 2 TB but idk if i wanna. But im too lazy to look up prices on products that idont want. And what about the AMD question? You remind me of one of my freinds who has a 6000+ and uses Nvidia ive tried to tell him to use ATI because Nvidia hasnt made a good SLI chipset for AMD in forever. You should get a Crossfire board =D.

[PP Mguire]

Lets cut the crap. I can get an 8800GTS G92, OC it, whoop your 3870 AND an ultra. Deal done. (Which btw the Ultra takes on the 3870X2 and the Ultra is how old now? think about that one for a second). These 9800GTXs im sure will pwn leaving ATI running in circles again.

[Goliath182]

Well stated

[AJ.]

Ive got a question lol why do you have a BFG 8800 GT? lol someone goin back on ATI eh? Thats a AM2 socket CPU you got right? cause i know 939 are the same numbers. I used to have a 939... my first dual core CPU =D. It was beast back in the day cause i went from a P4 at 2 Ghz and all of the sudden i could do more than one thing at a time.

I was actually stressed for time when it came to my GPU. I sold my previous GPU (8800GTS 320MB) in plans to get a HD 3870 instead. Since I had an onboard video chipset on my old board at the time it was no big deal since I could live without gaming for a couple months. Then, an unexpected motherboard failure occured and I needed to replace it. That's when the problems came up. The board I wanted didn't have an onboard video chipset so I would need a GPU. At the time, 3870's just came out and were sold out everywhere... literally. And, whoever had them in stock were charging $50 over it's suggested retail price. So I waited. 8800GT's were also in the same boat at the time so my choices were pretty tough.

One day I walk into a local electronics store and as I'm passing by the computer hardware area I spot an 8800GT on a shelf all alone. I quickly run over to take a look and to my surprise I find a BFG 8800GT OC 512MB for $279.99. At the time newegg was charging $290. So I thought, "what the hell" and bought it.

If it were up to me I would have gotten the ATI card.

[PP Mguire]

My point is based on the age of the technology and not the price. The 800ultra is still considerd the top Nvidia card and its almost ancient now with its age. Yet it can still outdo ATIs brand new 3870X2. So lets see here, who is better?

[Goliath182]

Ultra but by the looks of it the 9800 GTX will barly be able to beat it which isnt so bad since the Ultra is pretty much unbeatable.

Well you made the right choice with Nvidia =D! Youll have a much better card that will serve you well.

[PP Mguire]

The 9800GTX will probably be alot better. Dont go by specs or falsed reviews from other sites. Wait till this site does a review and then go from there.

Also, the ultra IS beatable, a G92 8800GTS oced can beat it easily.

[Goliath182]

Yea but there is some convincing evidence that it will use the same core as the 8800 GTS 512 so it may just be a updated GTS which again isnt bad since the GTS barly gets beat by the Ultra at high resolution.

[PP Mguire]

Well if a 9600GT is G94 why would they use 92 for a 9800GTX? For some reason i find that to be falsed because Nvidia isnt that stupid.

[Goliath182]

Remember the last GX2? That was pretty stupid. It may sound dumb but the G92 still outperforms the G94 =/ so who knows. Nvidia seems to be messing with logic i mean a GTS that beats a GTX? a GT that competes wit h a GTS and GTX. and a GTS that almost beats a Ultra.

[werty316]

Because both cards(9600GT & 9800GTX) have different specs hence the reason to use different cores(G94 & G92).

I would take everything you read or see as just speculation.

Logic aside its all about beating the competition and nVidia didn't necessarily need to make an entirely new architecture since the RV670 wasn't anything new.

[Goliath182]

Because both cards have different specs hence the reaosn to use different cores.

PP meant about the 9600 GT using the G94 and the 9800 GTX possibly using the G92 when it should be backwards

[PP Mguire]

The GT is replacing the GTS lineup i hope. There are to many ****ing cards now a days. They need 9800, 9800GT, and 9800Ultra like before. THats the only thing i found stupid with Nvidia and their damned name changing. ITs retarted and people get way to confused.

Also the 9600GT is a G94 but its slated for mid range. Actualy, ill be willing to bet that 9800GTX MIGHT be G90 like as planned maybe? WOuld be cool. <------Goliath this is what i meant with the 9800GTX

If your wondering where i got 90 from im just going by the trend of things. G94 midrange, G92 higher up, then G90 flagship card. Idk wtf they got up their ass now but they need to make it right.

[Goliath182]

I agree with the nameing its messed up. They shouldnt have like thrown a buncha cards that beat up on eachother and realy should have discontinued the GTX because it doesnt have a place being more then a GTS and haveing less performance.

[werty316]

PP meant about the 9600 GT using the G94 and the 9800 GTX possibly using the G92 when it should be backwards
Why would it be backwards? The G94 has lower performance specs. Would you want the 9800GTX to 64 process shaders in the G94 core as apposed to 128 that the G92 core has?

[Goliath182]

I meant the names the better chip should be a higher number.

[PP Mguire]

No it should be like its always been, G90 flagship, G92 under that, then G94/96 midrang and low range. So that would give us 9800Ultra, 9800GT, 9800, then 9600 and 9400. Like its always been pre 8000 days.

[Goliath182]

i prefer bigger numbers being better chips makes the good chips sound better.

[AJ.]

Lets cut the crap. I can get an 8800GTS G92, OC it, whoop your 3870 AND an ultra. Deal done. (Which btw the Ultra takes on the 3870X2 and the Ultra is how old now? think about that one for a second). These 9800GTXs im sure will pwn leaving ATI running in circles again.

Eh, nothing ground breaking here. First off, leave oc'ing aside. That's a whole other subject. Let's talk about stock for stock.

The fact is, Nvidia's current flagship card is the 8800 Ultra; there's no denying that. Ati's current flagship card is the 3870 X2.

The fact that you can buy a 3870 X2 for $450 and get similar performance, if not better, from the equivalent from what their competitor has to offer which costs $730-$800, kicks major butt........

Damn.... You know what PP, I was going to write up a really long post debating this but I have no energy man. We'd be repeating the same old crap everyone said a million times before. I don't give a damn, buy what you want and get the hell out of my face. :lol: jk

[Goliath182]

yea 800 really isnt a whole lot for me guys lol spent 3 grand on my HDDs so... Another grand on my Dual Core 2 Xeon Dual Cores =P

[PP Mguire]

Damn.... You know what PP, I was going to write up a really long post debating this but I have no energy man. We'd be repeating the same old crap everyone said a million times before. I don't give a damn, buy what you want and get the hell out of my face.Your compeltely missing the point man. Price and OCing aside, the 8800ultra is how old now? Almost what 2 years i think it is? And ATI is FINALLY producing something that can keep up with it that requires not one but 2 chips. Now Nvidia is ready to release their next flagship card. Its going to take how much longer for ATI to keep up with that, and how many GPUs as well. And last i looked you couldnt buy an Ultra and if you could it wasnt 800 bucks anymore. That was a long time ago.

i prefer bigger numbers being better chips makes the good chips sound better.Its always been pre G80 that the main chip was the *0 and then 2, then 4/6. They should have left it that way.

[Goliath182]

About the only thing that i took from the 6 and 7 series was to not buy Evga cards... got a 6800 and i tried to oc it 10 megs and it almost burned up got a 7300 Gt and the fan died and almost burned up... got a 7600 gt and that fan also died and it also almost burst into flames.. got a replacement 7600 and it didnt even work so i just threw it away made a custom VGA cooler for my 73 and used that till i got a 8600 GTS which was my first XFX card and i couldnt be happier by the fact that it didnt burst into flames =D.

[AJ.]

Your compeltely missing the point man. Price and OCing aside, the 8800ultra is how old now? Almost what 2 years i think it is? And ATI is FINALLY producing something that can keep up with it that requires not one but 2 chips. Now Nvidia is ready to release their next flagship card. Its going to take how much longer for ATI to keep up with that, and how many GPUs as well. And last i looked you couldnt buy an Ultra and if you could it wasnt 800 bucks anymore. That was a long time ago.



You need to understand that ATI isn't in the same financial situation Nvidia is in. You can't create something out of nothing. Having said that, you can only do so much with limited funds. ATI have been doing a damn great job of giving their consumers bang for their buck. They realised they couldn't compete in the High-end market as of now so they focused on what Nvidia didn't as much; the mid-high end and low-mid end markets.

[Goliath182]

Almost forgot about my 6600 but i dont even wanna talk about all the problems i had with that.

[PP Mguire]

You need to understand that ATI isn't in the same financial situation Nvidia is in. You can't create something out of nothing. Having said that, you can only do so much with limited funds. ATI have been doing a damn great job of giving their consumers bang for their buck. They realised they couldn't compete in the High-end market as of now so they focused on what Nvidia didn't as much; the mid-high end and low-mid end markets.But wait, i coulda swore somebody on here said AMD isnt doing so bad and it wasnt a horrible thing for the merger. With that being said, whats their problem? My point remains.

Technically the order in which the cores were released is chronological and in order. G80, then the G92, and the G94 being is latest core.Im sure we know this, so whyd you put that? Just kinda curious.

This is exactly what ATI strives for.Post merger of course. Before AMD bought them they where neck and neck with Nvidia and actualy starting to stomp them with the 7900 vs X1900 battle.

[AJ.]

But wait, i coulda swore somebody on here said AMD isnt doing so bad and it wasnt a horrible thing for the merger. With that being said, whats their problem? My point remains.

Ok, since when are all catagorized as one in terms of opinion? :rolleyes:

Market analysts tend to disagree.

[PP Mguire]

Well all i remember is somwehere around here i said their downfall is becasue they dont have the resources to keep up with Intel and Nvidia. Then somebody said thats not true they have the money. Now your saying what im saying. Soo which is it? Either way, my point with the 8800ultra is still in stance because its taken ATI this long and 2 GPUs to keep up with Nvidias old ass card.

[Goliath182]

AMD has money the question is how much... and im sure ATI gets most of its buisness from buisnesses my uncle works on ATI based systems all the time.

[AJ.]

Well all i remember is somwehere around here i said their downfall is becasue they dont have the resources to keep up with Intel and Nvidia. Then somebody said thats not true they have the money. Now your saying what im saying. Soo which is it? Either way, my point with the 8800ultra is still in stance because its taken ATI this long and 2 GPUs to keep up with Nvidias old ass card.

Whatever. All I know is I could care less right about now lol. I'm hungry so I'm going to have dinner.

Good night all. :icon_tiphat:

[PP Mguire]

Lol its midnight here and i just finished eating like a pig haha. Oh yea im still on your side about the AMD/Intel fight. Id rather have AMD any day of the week. Idc about processor power all that much. BUt i like my beefy top video cards.

[werty316]

At the time of launch, ATI gained with the cheaper HD3870 since nVidia was lacking supplies of the more expensive 8800GT.

[Goliath182]

Lol its midnight here and i just finished eating like a pig haha. Oh yea im still on your side about the AMD/Intel fight. Id rather have AMD any day of the week. Idc about processor power all that much. BUt i like my beefy top video cards.

I can see where your commin from with AMD i had a Athlon 64 X2 4200+ and it was a great processor, very overclockable, but i like Nvidia so i went with Intel when AMD bought ATI.

[PP Mguire]

Yea i know Intel has the better processor right now theres no doubt there. I just like using AMD :) But ill always have Nvidia video cards unless something happens and i just wind up having an ATI card (like i did in 2005)

[Goliath182]

Yea lucky for me I havent had to use a ATI card. But back to the subject lol I will probably buy a 8800 512 GTS next week =D. Totaly pwn my uncles quad and 3870 =P.

[ABerd]

I;m actually tired of the 8 series . . . So I'm waiting for the 9 series + reviews.

[Goliath182]

Well with the 9600 GT already out and the 9800 GX2 supposedly coming this month you'll have a sneak peak of the 9800 GTX. :grin:

[Sadasius]

Yes there are a few 9 series that I am waiting for before deciding to buy for the new setup. I am saving the card and monitor for last. Most expensive parts, especially the $1600 monitor. So far I still have my eye on the ATI 3870X2. But if the Nvidias offerings kill that then I may go with the Nvidia offering. But if they do it only marginally then I think I will still get the ATI offering as I will be able to CrossfireX two of them on my setup.

[Goliath182]

Live up the performance days of ATI they have announced that they will no longer compete with Nvidia for the best card they have decided to focus on price.

[MrX]

Far as I know 9800gtx is just a rehash of the G92GTS with faster clocks. Not much difference. :frown:

[PP Mguire]

I think thats just rumours honestly. Giving the public something to chew on while we wait. Its really to early to say anything on the 9800GTX.

[Goliath182]

True but most likely it will have half the power of a 9800 GX2.

[PP Mguire]

Thats only if the drivers and support utilize the full power of the card. If the 9800GTX is a newer spec (not G92) then i doubt the 9800GX2 will be as fast.

[werty316]

Things continue to not look good for the GX boards: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/03/nvidia-9800gx2-clocks-revealed

Again, remember that grain of salt just incase ;)

[PP Mguire]

Yea cause im still gonna live up to what i said, and i dont want to be paying big bucks for a revamped G92.

[AJ.]

Yea cause im still gonna live up to what i said, and i dont want to be paying big bucks for a revamped G92.

True dat! :cool:

[Goliath182]

Thats only if the drivers and support utilize the full power of the card. If the 9800GTX is a newer spec (not G92) then i doubt the 9800GX2 will be as fast.

If the GX2 uses the same core as the GTX then it would still be twice as fast the drivers just wouldnt be able to use the power.

[AJ.]

I honestly think that this is all hype. Realistically, I would say the GX2 is probably going to be 25-40% faster than a ultra. Mark my words... ;-)

[cvasquez]

8800 gts g92 are rock solid!

[PP Mguire]

What if Nvidia pulls a fast on us and the 9800GTX is a G92 that uses all its spiffy features plus GDDR4?

[SPtheALIEN]

the 8800 gts are less than 180 now.