Geforce 9800GTX is Dissapointing!

[peti1212]

Hey everybody, I just came accross this and I found it interesting, I am not sure if this was already posted somewhere else but take a look at this:

http://en.expreview.com/2008/02/26/9800gtx-3dmark06-score-here-dont-be-too-excited/

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 at 4.0Ghz
Geforce 9800GTX

Only scores 14725 in 3DMark06. I was expecting a lot more. I guess this will be the worst series so far till nvidia comes out with something else rather than the 9800 GX2.

Here is another link to the chip and other pictures:

http://en.expreview.com/2008/03/05/leak%ef%bc%819800gtx-sample-pics-are-everywhere/

9800GTX still uses G92 chips. :redface:

[PP Mguire]

This has alrady been posted. And im sure 9900 is on the way shortly after.

[peti1212]

This has alrady been posted. And im sure 9900 is on the way shortly after.

Yeah, I figured, but I could not find it, I though it might have been another forum. Hmm. Oh well.

[Goliath182]

I doubt Nvidia would let anything slip out about a 9900 this early, but im sure there going to make one.

[Scott]

No real competiton from AMD is causing all this recycling of parts. Yeah they have speed bumps and smaller dies but NVIDIA has no need at this point to release the next REAL highend cards.

[PP Mguire]

Sure they do, its called Crysis and Alan Wake.

[Goliath182]

Some people dont play Crisis (me). And if you really want to play it on ultra high with good FPS then buy a Ultra.

No real competiton from AMD is causing all this recycling of parts. Yeah they have speed bumps and smaller dies but NVIDIA has no need at this point to release the next REAL highend cards.

I agree ATI really hasnt made any card that can beat a Ultra causeing Nvidia to slack a little bit.

[Xero (1)ne]

It looks like thier answering to ATi's scaling by trying to improve SLi's scaling.

[PP Mguire]

Some people dont play Crisis (me). And if you really want to play it on ultra high with good FPS then buy a Ultra.But i didnt just mention Crysis either. I know a ton of people waiting for Alan Wake. And why buy a POS Ultra for so much when i can OC a GTS G92?

[Goliath182]

Well then why are you complaing lol. Just SLI the beasts and there ya go.

[PP Mguire]

Cause in all honesty i hate SLI. The only reason im SLIing right now is to cover the time till i actualy either get a GTS G92 or 9800GTX. Plus, id rather have one better card for 500 then 2 in SLI for 600. Cause later on down the road if i wanted to i could buy another of that same card for cheaper and last alot longer like im doing now.

[Goliath182]

True. Well I guess youll have to wait for Nvidia to get there act together and make a new kick a card.

[PP Mguire]

Which is what i was arguing before. Screw the competition we got games pwning their cards. They should think about that too.

[Goliath182]

Yea but if theres no competition then theres no reason to innovate =/. We might see a slow down in g card innovation now that ATI is backin off of Nvidia. Perhaps its time to have a third g card maker.

[PP Mguire]

You missed my point, they should look at the games pwning their cards as well as the competition. Nvidias main cometition is games right now. It takes tri-sli 8800ultras to max Crysis out on really high res with no lag. I want that on at least SLI affordable cards.

[Goliath182]

Yea that will take a few years. It doesnt matter if they make bigger and better games Nvidia doesnt want to invest money in makeing these cards if no other company is.

[PP Mguire]

They will lose alot of buyers that way actualy cause people will just stick with one card till they actualy make something else thats different and new.

[Goliath182]

Yea well thats what this thread is about, disapointing results. Plus you have to take in account that many people will use midrange cards bundled in their PC because they dont know how to build a PC and thats where Nvidia makes the true money.

[PP Mguire]

I myself was thinking of SLIing 2 9600GTs lol. You gotta point there.

[Ranzear]

Hating SLI but using it anyway makes PP cool.


Aaaaaaanyway.

I've only ever used even-numbered series Nvidia cards. Never saw a 3. 5/FX sucked ass in those early PCI-e days. 7 was kindof a lull for me because my 6800 ran Source games so well already, even AGP. Now the 9 series is shaping up to be 'okay'.

[PP Mguire]

:rolleyes: If you dont have anything good to input then just dont say anything at all. Im sure all of us are getting tired of your PP bashing. <--- i lold.

[Ranzear]

I did have useful input, you just completely missed it in your raging over my innocent little quip.

[PP Mguire]

I see nothing useful in that.

[Frag Maniac]

Here's how Silicon Madness describes Nvidia's plans:

http://www.siliconmadness.com/2008/01/nvidia-geforce-9800gtx-9800gt-and.html (http://www.siliconmadness.com/2008/01/nvidia-geforce-9800gtx-9800gt-and.html)

So, it appears what we thought was going to be the 9800GTX with 1 billion transistors is going to be delayed somewhat and appear under another model name. Personally I think it's kinda crazy none of these G92 cards even support DX10.1.

This is not good news at all for me as I was planning on being able to affordably buy the 1 billion transistor GPU by end of this year several months after it's speculated mid '08 release. It looks now as if we'll be lucky if such a thing is even released by end of '08, let alone affordable.

[Ranzear]

I hope they make it a 10 series or some sort of even-number so I can stick to that rule of mine.


PP McRager

[PP Mguire]

So, it appears what we thought was going to be the 9800GTX with 1 billion transistors is going to be delayed somewhat and appear under another model name. Personally I think it's kinda crazy none of these G92 cards even support DX10.1.
Im not defending Nvidia on this decision but i dont see what the big whoop about 10.1 is anyways.

[DemonicDerek]

No real competiton from AMD is causing all this recycling of parts. Yeah they have speed bumps and smaller dies but NVIDIA has no need at this point to release the next REAL highend cards.

Yes they do, the reason being because us, the consumers, what the next REAL highend cards.


Sure they do, its called Crysis and Alan Wake.

A good point as well, just wanted to compliment the point.

[CoolZone]

i read somewhere that the GT200 chip will not even support DX 10.1!That sucks considering that it will be launched in the summer

[Kougar]

Here's how Silicon Madness describes Nvidia's plans:

http://www.siliconmadness.com/2008/01/nvidia-geforce-9800gtx-9800gt-and.html (http://www.siliconmadness.com/2008/01/nvidia-geforce-9800gtx-9800gt-and.html)

So, it appears what we thought was going to be the 9800GTX with 1 billion transistors is going to be delayed somewhat and appear under another model name. Personally I think it's kinda crazy none of these G92 cards even support DX10.1.

This is not good news at all for me as I was planning on being able to affordably buy the 1 billion transistor GPU by end of this year several months after it's speculated mid '08 release. It looks now as if we'll be lucky if such a thing is even released by end of '08, let alone affordable.

Wow... finally, at least something that makes sense here... thanks for the link!

NVIDIA waiting 2 years to launch a "new" GPU is simply crazy. In the same 2 year time frame they launched the 7800, 7900, and 8800 cards... now it is going on 2 years since the fall 2006 launch of 8800, and nothing but shrunken die and overclocked premium parts has come out. I guess not having any competition that has superior hardware will do that to a company. I just wish ATI's R700 would bring some...

[werty316]

Why does everyone care if a card supports DX10.1 anyways? How many DX10.1 games do you see?

And what Scott said it quite right infact as there is no point in releasing any new true highend cards if there is no competition; its like fighting without an opponent to do battle with.

[Kougar]

DX10.1 is a side issue in my opinion, DX11 is going to make the point moot by the time game developers even consider using some of the DX10.1 features.

There is plenty of reason to release new high-end cards... or, if you wish to look at it another way there is as much reason to release a new high-end card as there is as much reason to building something like the 9800GX2 behemoth.

Crysis is probably the most demanding game right now, however it is also the one game that scales the worst with SLI or Crossfire. So two cards in SLI or Crossfire isn't a good answer to fixing Crysis's low performance. A better single card is needed.

If NVIDIA released a true next generation card they would have plenty of reason... everyone that has older NVIDIA hardware would be interested in upgrading, so instant sales. Plenty of forum members seemed to be waiting to upgrade to a next-gen card, not just another rebadged, recycled GPU with a 9800 number painted on it as the only thing "new". It would also make cards like the HD 3870 X2, which is giving NVIDIA some competition, a moot point and seem silly.

There's a reason NIB XFX 8800Ultra Extremes are selling for around $225 on eBay.

[PP Mguire]

Thank you for better explaining my point. We the consumer should be the reason not the competition.

[Frag Maniac]

Guys, enough with the DX10.1. I wasn't calling it a significant DX build change, just pointing out that continued support for the G92 cards is a bit up in the air if they're not going to keep DX supporting them.

I know from having had an X800XT that lack of continued support can be a problem. The trend has been to software support the latest generation of cards for the most part.