Phased changed black pearl pictures !

[Schwarz]

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More pics and comments coming soon !
You guys should see it when its on !!!

[tyle6]

ITS ALIVE!!!!! looks damn good, you managed to fit the whole machII in there even!
I only see one 8800 in there... not running the SLI anymore?

[Miker]

Only a M006 PSU? :thumleft:

Sorry, my bad, I see you have a M00G.:-)

[PP Mguire]

Holy ass man! Your rig is so impressive. Im afraid to use that stuff though. Im even afraid to use water cooling.

[tyle6]

Only a M006 PSU? :thumleft:
wadda yea mean, thats a MOOG man !!! you never heard of a MOOG??? ROFL

[PP Mguire]

You talkin to Miker or me?

[tyle6]

LOL miker!
Only a M006 PSU?

[Xero (1)ne]

I've always thought about taking my mini-fridge apart and putting the cooler in my case.... How much power does that thing take?

[PP Mguire]

Youll have condensation out the ass thogh. Thats bad.

[bobletman]

wow cool. I just have one question. Is phase changing loud.

[srpeters18]

I have two questions:

1. What are your temps before and after?

2. Where can I get one?

[the_dope_chaud]

wow cool. I just have one question. Is phase changing loud.

I've seen this particular rig before, sounds like A/C, not quiet at all.
Wouldn't make this my daily, the noise would bug me too much.

I have two questions:

1. What are your temps before and after?

2. Where can I get one?

1. As long as the after temps stay under 0, its all good !
I don't think shwarz ran his proccy on stock cooler anyways.

2. Many places, new and used, If you want there are some custom phase builders on a few forums, and there is guys that find ways to improve and modify them. Google it, I'm not gonna do it for you.

[srpeters18]

I've seen this particular rig before, sounds like A/C, not quiet at all.
Wouldn't make this my daily, the noise would bug me too much.



1. As long as the after temps stay under 0, its all good !
I don't think shwarz ran his proccy on stock cooler anyways.

2. Many places, new and used, If you want there are some custom phase builders on a few forums, and there is guys that find ways to improve and modify them. Google it, I'm not gonna do it for you.

Yeah, I've seen them around. I guess what I should've asked is, how much did it cost? I've seen the mass-produced versions and they run about $700. I don't want to pay that much. I can get a peltier for a lot less than that and still buy a new Q6600 if I end up cooking my current proccy. I'm not running stock cooling either, but I still run right at 62c, on water. I've just never seen a price from one of the custom guys that build in their garage.

[werty316]

$899 at CrazyPC: http://www.crazypc.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=9290GT&Category_Code=

[srpeters18]

Actually, that was the one I had seen before. I am looking more for something like the pictures in this thread. I don't need a box to put it in, I just need the basic hardware, which I'm assuming cuts down the cost somewhat. I don't want to spend $900 on phase. I can get a peltier for far, far less and when it fails and burns up the proccy, still have enough left over for replacement parts.

[werty316]

Unless I am mistaken Schwarz's Prometeia Mach II GT originally was in an enclosure. He obviously took it out of its enclosure so he can fit it in his case.

Finding a phase changing cooler might be hard to come by since the majority if not all of the retail model are already prefitted with a case.

Getting a barebones phase changing cooler won't be that much cheaper anyhow since the majority of price is on the parts itself and not the case it is enclosed in. I mean whoever heard of a phase changing enclosure that costs $500?

You could always go with OCZ's Cryo-Z (http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/cooling_products/ocz_cryo_z) as it should be much cheaper than $900. Heres a review of it: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1321/ocz_cryo_z_phase_change_cooler/index.html

Also I remember somewhere that Thermaltake has a phase changing cooler in the works.

[srpeters18]

I won't buy watercooling gear from ThermalTake, can't see myself buying their phase either. I must've missed that he had bought the brand name version. I thought he had gotten one of the forum builders to make one, or possibly built it himself. This is another option I've been considering. I have some basic skills (very basic) and a lot can be done with the internet now. I have the parts fairly readily available to me (I have a fridge just sitting in the garage, unplugged) but don't know if I want to sacrifice the fridge for something that may not work, or just sell it. But there is NO way my wife is going to let me spend $900 on phase, she had a hard enough time with the $200 I spent on the watercooling setup.

[werty316]

I am guessing you never noticed his sig.

[Schwarz]

As far as price goes I paid mine 600 Canadian bucks.
The reason is that Mach II GTs dont really exist anymore and that it has been used in shows.
Or anyways they dont make them anymore.
But after taking it appart and playing with it a lot, I can see how easy it would be with little knowledge to make one of these units yourself.
You would need the material though but if you have friends working in refregiration then they could easily help you.

As far as noise goes, dont try to sleep while running the thing.
I can do it but my girlfriend hates it and wont make me use it anymore :(

temps...
Well let me see back in the days I used to run a Pentium D 805 at 3.8GHz (2.6 stock)
My temps were always around the 60 to 70s C.
Running the Mach II GT I can say I could easily run (real procy temp) at -25 to -30 and sometimes even more @ 4.1Ghz but I couldnt get it higher then that stable.
Anyways I think every procy has its limit even though you can run it cool.
With phase you can take any procy to its limit after that it all depends on how high the chip can go.
The temp in front of the unit saying -50 to -60 is actually the coldest point.
It is not actually the procy but behind the cooler block.

If you guys ever need more info on phase change or whatever let me know ill try to help you out.

Another thing, the reason Im not running SLI is because my striker extreme has started having a problem a little while ago that when I run SLI any games I play or videos I watch make noise discusting static noise.
I bought another striker extreme at ordigros (some of you people from quebec probably know the place) and the board is defective.
That idiot women working there doesnèt want to take it back so im RMAing at Asus but im still waiting on their email.
I just talked to them today anyways ill see tomorow if I get the email if not ill call them again.

If you are in Canada you can get the more popular Vapochill for around 700 bucks.
http://www.kit-tronics.com/xcart/home.php?cat=153

[Frag Maniac]

More pics and comments coming soon !
You guys should see it when its on !!!Either I got in late on this subject or there wasn't much explanation for how this kind of mod is done. This is the kind of thing I'd expect to see in the Benchmarks & Mods forum with details on what's being done. From what I've read so far I gather this is the guts of a mini fridge or freezer which is being fitted to a CPU or GPU water block somehow?

Do you have any links to sites that explain how to go about doing this? Also, what if a person doesn't want to tear apart a perfectly good mini fridge or freezer, and who would want to use one on it's last legs on a high end PC? Are there places you can order a sealed compressor and line for such an appliance? Lastly, this gets into dealing with Freon does it not, what about certification and legality of tinkering with a controlled substance?

The way I see it there are too many problems that make such a thing impractical. A mini fridge or freezer is only designed to keep cool things cool. Making it keep something that continuously runs hot cool is going to over work it. In some ways it would be more practical to use the compressor in a PC case rather than turning a mini fridge into a PC case, as you wouldn't have to worry about condensation as much. However, in a PC case you may have more heat depending on where the parts are located with the mini fridge method.

[srpeters18]

Well, in my case its not a mini-fridge. Its a full size fridge that works just fine, but I don't plan on putting my PC in the fridge. I am thinking about ripping the compressor, condenser and evaporator out of it. Some people (like Schwarz) cool the CPU directly with those components, some will just get the guts from an office water cooler and put them in a tub of liquid, then stick the radiator from their water-cooling setup in the liquid to cool it. I have seen those with solid chunks of ice around the radiator.

It is in no way practical. For one thing, its quite expensive unless you already have the parts laying around. Second off, its quite loud and you have to insulate everything against condensation. But, for those benchmark runs its perfect.

[Schwarz]

Insulation isnt really hard.
If you know how to insulate windows its pretty easy you just need to buy the same thing.
Its that black stuff that looks like gum.

The unit I have is a Mach II GT.
I did not take it apart a fridge.
All I said is that it would be pretty easy to do it yourself.
Anyways done will there are no problems.
I have been running a e4300 at 3.7GHz over almost a year now and its still going.

Its not that much of a big big mod, Its just a mach II GT taken apart and stuck in a Black Pearl.

If you care about noise then this is not for you, if you like to overclock and want to see how far a CPU can go then this is for you.
Whatever procy you take can be taken to its limit.

You have no choice to stick it on the CPU when you are up to 1.6 to 1.7v and sometimes higher for Vcore then you have no choice to go with something else then air cooling.
As far as condensation, bah it never happened to me.
Just insulate well and you will never have a problem.
Anyways I have a heater plate in the back of the procy to have heat behind also so it does condensate in the back.

I have skipped water cooling but I sure would like to try it one day the only reason I went for the mach II GT is because I had a great deal on it.
These units back in the days were easily worth close to 1000 CAD and I got it for 600.

Its not only good for benchmark, anyways in my opinion, there is a huge difference from 1.8 to 3.7Ghz in any thing you do with your PC.
From photoshop to gaming.

[srpeters18]

Its not only good for benchmark, anyways in my opinion, there is a huge difference from 1.8 to 3.7Ghz in any thing you do with your PC.
From photoshop to gaming.

I absolutely agree with you, and I wouldn't mind running it 24x7 that way, but my wife would certainly mind. Just the noise issue for her. And the power bill. Hehe. But I plan on putting together a rig to keep in the garage for testing/benching anyhow, so that might be where my fridge parts come into play. Then I could run it with no issues, cause its a whole lot easier to deal with space and condensation issues when you're working on a bench instead of in a case, and I wouldn't have to worry about the noise. Have to find a spot away from the reloading bench though...

[Frag Maniac]

Have you guys seen this?
http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2008/03/19/thermaltake-to-offer-compact-affordable-phase-change-cooling (http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2008/03/19/thermaltake-to-offer-compact-affordable-phase-change-cooling)

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9137/index.html (http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9137/index.html)

[srpeters18]

I am extremely hesitant to purchase anything like this from ThermalTake. Sure, they make some decent air coolers and some great cases, but their watercooling solution is terrible.

[Schwarz]

OCZ was supposed to make one as well.
Not sure what happened with that...

[Pablo 54]

Looks great. What are your ambient temps like? I think you might be able to hang meat in there as well.

[srpeters18]

OCZ was supposed to make one as well.
Not sure what happened with that...

There was actually a link to a review posted somewhere here for the OCZ one, a recent review. Build quality was poor, lots of rust on the metal and poorly fitting parts. Got great temps out of it though.

[Frag Maniac]

I am extremely hesitant to purchase anything like this from ThermalTake. Sure, they make some decent air coolers and some great cases, but their watercooling solution is terrible.I agree their water cooling system wasn't very good, but phase changed systems are a different animal. I'll wait and judge their phase changed system when it comes out. Personally I think it's a good sign that some manufacturers are trying to make this technology more affordable, compact and quiet.

[Schwarz]

Looks great. What are your ambient temps like? I think you might be able to hang meat in there as well.

I get around 30C for the motherboard.
Not much higher then that.
I do have some very good fans in the case so it keeps everything pretty cool.

Plus its still kinda cold here in Quebec.
Well the sun is starting to show and the weather is not in the sub 0 anymore so its nice enough !
SUMMER IS COMING !