Wireless for the whole town?

[raidersforever01]

Do you think i am getting in over my head. Everyone in the town pays for dialup over $20, guess they never heard of netzero, and the schools network is being used at less then 1% i was talking with a city council member he was complaining about how slow dial up is and we got into talking about how another nearby small town has a wireless network running through out the city. Now he is interested in setting something like that up using the schools extra bandwidth and he wants me to do it. The town is at most 2 square miles, probably closer to 1 square mile. I haven't gave him a yes or no yet but once i give him an answer he is going to talk to the other council members.

[dumdum]

I love everything in this land except internet.

[joz]

Minneapolis.

Wired :D

St. Paul, almost wired. :D

[tyle6]

Well put it this way raiders, i have been assigned the same task for our mobile home and summer resort end of our park. I have been doing a bit of research on this subject. Maybe we could talk... you seem to be working on a larger scale then I but i still need to cover a good area. I will send yea PM later about to eat dinner right.
I was actually supposed to have a plan layed to present to my family when they get home from cuba tomro... dont look so good right now.

[Miker]

You can do it, but it will have high pings. Also, you will need to set up a way to limit people's bandwidth. You will need a big ass antenna, or some boosters around town.

[AJ.]

I think the city of San Francisco has something like this or is in the making of it. Not sure if it's true or not, though...

[srpeters18]

I set one up on a somewhat smaller scale in Iraq through our little villages of trailers. Had around 120 subscribers (which was way too many for the dish we were on). The hardware side wasn't terrible, it was mostly D-link stuff, we set up point to point antennas and had a router connected to each base station, then wired out to the hooches. And when someone tells you that 328 ft is the max for CAT 5e, they're absolutely correct. At 335 feet it wouldn't work at all. Stretched it, cut it to 326, worked like a charm.

[raidersforever01]

There is about 96 homes there with only about half with a computer. The place is mostly free air with some homes with a lot of trees around them. I am gonna take a drive back out there and take a good look, the school is near the center. Theres a few areas they look good for throwing some antennas on. Give me a PM Tyle i just finished dinner. Anyone have ideas on how i can make this easier for myself.

[tyle6]

I was looking at doing long range to a number of access points.
Cover each road with its own router this way costs are higher on your end but cheaper for the customers when they dont have to invest in there own long range equiptment.
less start up cost equals more initial subscribers.

Here is a good lil kinder read on some diff configs. you could consider. I plan on going with a point to multi point network where at each destination point there is a wireless hub, being as this is for an RV park.

http://www.radiolabs.com/Articles/wifi-antenna.html

[PP Mguire]

You could always just tell them of Googles plan for free internet in Q1 2009.

[tyle6]

Yea, the problem that faces me is there isn't even phone service to any of our sites. not to mention that googles free internet isn't going to be highspeed... being as they dont own any repeaters on telephone lines, ones that dont exist to provide highspeed to areas wont magically appear and google isn't a cable network.

[PP Mguire]

Googles internet will be on US unused analog airwaves anyways. So your kinda screwed so thats why i was talking mainly to Raiders. Unless they are actualy going multi national with it, which i doubt. And since its all wireless Google dosent need land line repeaters ;) Not only that, but your average Joe user who wants free internet dosent need high speed anyways. Thats what youpay for.

[tyle6]

Oh yea thats right, weren't they talking about using the unused television channel bandwidth thats available or something??? but the FCC wasn't to happy with that proposal or something?

[raidersforever01]

How is this google free internet looking i want some info. I doubt it will be for us no name towns in the middle of no where.

Also looks like its not to bad to setup the network only has to reach out 1 x 0.35 miles of mostly open desert.

[PP Mguire]

Yea but Google basicly gave them a middle finger saying that all tv will be digital here in the US by Feb 2009 anyways so theres no point in arguing over analog airwaves.

And Google Internet will be everywhere Raiders.

[srpeters18]

Okay, I get how you could possibly download over analog airwaves with relatively inexpensive equipment. But how do you upload? Nobody is pushing analog signals out of their houses, at least over a decent range.

[PP Mguire]

Ill leave that one up to Google. But uh, truckers do it every day with a CB radio.

[srpeters18]

Ill leave that one up to Google. But uh, truckers do it every day with a CB radio.

Understand, but most CB's have let's say a 10 foot antenna. That'll give you a range, all things considered, of about 5 miles. So, unless Google sticks a receiver every 3 or 4 miles across the country, they are gonna have to push a whole lotta power out of every house using this. Then its not free anymore.

I have worked extensively with military grade radios in my line of work, the only thing that would work outside a 10-15 mile range (VHF will get you about 10 miles with 20w of power output) is HF, which is a rather large wavelength requiring a huge antenna. We have radios that'll work across the Atlantic. We can talk to Kuwait from Northern Iraq. But it takes an antenna 85 feet long and about 60 feet high.

[PP Mguire]

Im sure it wont be that complicated or else they wouldnt be doing it. They probably have thought of something that we havent yet. And when its out we'll be like ohhhhh ok. Idk.

[srpeters18]

Well you're probably right. You know what I just thought of. You could use the analog radio signal for downloading, and a traditional phone line for upload. They already have satellite systems that use this. It's not very fast, but downloading will still get you speeds faster than dial-up. Only thing I could think of that would work.

[PP Mguire]

I dont think they would do that. You would have to pay probably for a dial up service, and that would have to include land lines. This is supposed to be total wireless.

[srpeters18]

Then I guess we'll just have to wait and see, cause I'm out of ideas. lol

[raidersforever01]

I did some looking around and i am hearing Q4 2009 and even then i doubt it will be nationwide with a flip of the switch. Although i hope i am wrong. i'd drop my $10 DSL for that its crap anyway. High pings and frequent disconnects anyway.

[PP Mguire]

AHAHAH
http://www.google.com/tisp/

[tyle6]

ROFL, is this serious??? they want you to flush part of this down your toilette????

OK, this is a joke man.... the nanobots will hook up your sewer net within 15 minute and delivery any google checkout items aswell?

TiSP subscribers who sign up for a Checkout account will receive free bathroom delivery on their first ten Checkout purchases.


We're actively developing a higher-performance version of TiSP specifically tailored to small and medium-sized businesses, including 24-hour, on-site technical support in the event of backup problems, brownouts and data wipes.



How can Google offer this service for free?
We believe that all users deserve free, fast and sanitary online access. To offset the cost of providing the TiSP service, we use information gathered by discreet DNA sequencing of your personal bodily output to display online ads that are contextually relevant to your culinary preferences

EVEN IF IT WAS REAL I WOULD PREFER THE WIRELESS FOR A COST AS OPPOSED TO A CORD OUT MY TOILETTE FOR FREE. Not to mention the "discreet" DNA sequencing... darn you google.



If you still think this is reall go here... http://groups.google.com/group/google-tisp
This was googles april fools joke, you really believed this eh PP?

[tyle6]

Oh yea, I forget. Google and virgin airlines are colonizing mars too.
An invitation.
Earth has issues, and it's time humanity got started on a Plan B. So, starting in 2014, Virgin founder Richard Branson and Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin will be leading hundreds of users on one of the grandest adventures in human history: Project Virgle, the first permanent human colony on Mars.

[raidersforever01]

ROFL, where did that come from i never saw that i must have missed april fools.

[PP Mguire]

Umm no did you not see my AHAHAHA?

[tyle6]

LOL, oh. I thought that was you laughing at SRPETERS as you had finally found info on it sorta thing... sorry.
Anyways, That was pretty darn amusing.

[PP Mguire]

No i was told to google it and i found that so figured id post casue i like how Google has a sense of humour. Actualy i heard about the information on overclock3d.net.