Seems i was right

[PP Mguire]

Seems Nvidia will be integrating PhysX into their GPUs meaning i dont have to put another peice of technology in my case. I <3 PhysX + GPU integration.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_physx.html

[Goliath182]

Nothing new for me been using that since late 2006 lol. But about time it comes to pc, a physics card was a very dumb idea.

[Andrew1990]

Too bad I couldnt make my 7800GTX into a PhysX card.......

Maybe later in the summer I will get a 9800GTX and a 9600GT so I can have a PhysX card, depending on the support.

[bobletman]

Oh I cant wait till the physics cards are put inside the gpu's thats gonna make games a lot more playable such as crysis.

[joz]

cant wait till we dont even need physics hardware seperate from GPU.

Were the hell are those GPGPUs?

[werty316]

Bah, physics calculations done by a GPU won't be needed when there are quadcores out not to mention there'll be chips with even more cores being released later down the road.

[PP Mguire]

Apparently thats wrong.

[zachig]

Seems Nvidia will be integrating PhysX into their GPUs meaning i dont have to put another peice of technology in my case. I <3 PhysX + GPU integration.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_physx.html
WOW!!! That's GREAT news!!! I also can't wait till PhysX will be implemented into GPUs. :grin:

Thanks for the info PP. ;-)

As soon as it'll be done and as soon as games will support it, of course, I'll be among the first ones to buy such a card (if I'll be able to afford it :lol:).

[Goliath182]

Bah, physics calculations done by a GPU won't be needed when there are quadcores out not to mention there'll be chips with even more cores being released later down the road.

I think a GPU could do this task much better. Eventualy the GPU may take over the CPU for all games, but not in general use. A GPU does threading much better than a CPU but that extra threading doesnt matter in general use.

[dumdum]

GTA4 PC would be great with physics. Too bad its never coming out... I honestly think GTA4 for console is weird. I have 360 and when I play GTA4, I just feel like rather having mods and custom graphics settings and stuff.

[PP Mguire]

GTA4 for PC = later this year. GPUs are much faster than CPUs so integrating PhysX into GPUs is a wise choice. Sadly though i think it will raise the price of our beloved Nvidia cards.

[Sadasius]

Hopefully it is a step in the right direction. They have been promising that though for a long time now.

[zachig]

GTA4 for PC = later this year.
Really??? Where did you hear that??? I hope you're right...:ahhhhh:

[borschtBomber[SS]]

Its all a moot point unless developers actually start writing to take advantage of it correct?

[Goliath182]

GTA4 for PC = later this year. GPUs are much faster than CPUs so integrating PhysX into GPUs is a wise choice. Sadly though i think it will raise the price of our beloved Nvidia cards.

No pictures? It didnt happen. Though its highly probable since GTA SA came to pc too.

[werty316]

The GTA series is released on the consoles first then the PC a year or so later. That has been the trend thus far.

;146977']Its all a moot point unless developers actually start writing to take advantage of it correct?
Bingo.

Lets hope this doesn't become another PhysX thing card considering its was pretty much useless.

[Goliath182]

The GTA series is released on the consoles first then the PC a year or so later. That has been the trend thus far.

Maybe if there wherent so many piraters pc gamers would not have to wait a year.

Lets hope this doesn't become another PhyX thing card considering its was pretty much useless.

The PhyX card actualy was getting a lot of games on its supported list. If it would have kept on going it would have gotten more. They already use advanced physics on the 360 so its nothing new, just would take a little extra time to port it to PC.

[PP Mguire]

Maybe if there wherent so many piraters pc gamers would not have to wait a year.Dosent matter how long you wait piraters will always pirate and no matter how cheap you make a game or how un-protected you make it piraters will always pirate. So the finger pointing game needs to stop.

The 360 uses Havoc though no Ageia PhysX. Now that nobody has to pay extra for an aditional card for aditional eye candy developers will start using the tech.

[Goliath182]

Dosent matter how long you wait piraters will always pirate and no matter how cheap you make a game or how un-protected you make it piraters will always pirate. So the finger pointing game needs to stop.

There is no pointing the finger. Its been stated by many PC developers that the reason there arnt more, and early releases of games is because of piraters. One year will give the game to have some sales, enough to pay for the game, the game is then ported to PC to get a few more sales.

The 360 uses Havoc though no Ageia PhysX. Now that nobody has to pay extra for an aditional card for aditional eye candy developers will start using the tech.Eather way its still better physics than on pc (unless you use a physX card).

This points towards no Crysis 2 because of piracy.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/01/17/pc-sales-slow-as-some-despair-over-piracy

[werty316]

There is more $ in the console market since its much larger and there are cross platforms. Anyhow this current discussion is :offtopic:


The PhyX card actualy was getting a lot of games on its supported list. If it would have kept on going it would have gotten more.

The PhysX card can support all the games in the world but it won't matter when there is little to no performance gain when using one.

[Goliath182]

The PhyX card can support all the games in the world but it won't matter when there is little to no performance gain when using one.

It actualy slows games down. Ive seen one claim that 8800 Ultra's in SLI lost 20 FPS when using the PhyisX card. Its not for performance anyways, its for looks.

[werty316]

Actually its supposed to be both.

[Goliath182]

Actually its supposed to be both.

I only got the vibe from PhysX that they made it just to make stuff prettier. Then again i remember the 2nd tech demo they had, when they rigged it so you couldnt emulate the PhysX card. That was a fake no matter what they say, it looked the same exact way but when you looked around you got 4 FPS.

[werty316]

The PhysX card was made to make stuff more prettier??? Ah, no as that would be a waste of $150. Theres a reason why games have different levels of detail(High, med, low, etc) in which you can change without needing a PhysX card. No offence but that line was hilarious.

The PhysX card is suppose to offload any physics work done by the CPU/GPU thus improving performance along with adding more "Physics" related content in some situations. I guess you never read any reviews of the PhysX card.

[Goliath182]

The PhyX card was made to make stuff more prettier??? :dielaffin: Ah, no. Its supposed to offload any phyics work done by the CPU/GPU thus improving performance along with adding more "Physics" related content in some situations. I guess you never read any reviews of the PhyX card.

I guess you havent lol, because Ageia even stated that it could do things that no CPU or GPU could do.

[Goliath182]

Ageia now attempts to take in-game physics to the next level with its add-in card for the PCI bus. This card is meant to handle the physics calculations in games, allowing them to use more effects than a software renderer utilizing only the CPU could handle.

Right from the PhysX card review from Toms Hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ageia,1270.html

[werty316]

There could be a reason why Ageia named it the "PhysX" as in the word "physics" how ever the Ageia "Pretty" could be just as good.

[Goliath182]

There could be a reason why Ageia named it "PhyX".

They claim it to be the next evolution of games but that has been proven wrong ever since Nvidia bought them, and they all failed school which explains the spelling. :lol:

[PP Mguire]

I guess you havent lol, because Ageia even stated that it could do things that no CPU or GPU could do.My original topic of this thread now proves this wrong. Physics calculations will now be done by an integrated PhysX controler inside the GPU eliminating any need for an extra card or have slowdown. I expect Nvidia to perfect this as well.

And, adding more fluid physics to any game will make it prettier. Idk about you but more realistic water in Crysis makes it prettier.

[borschtBomber[SS]]

Now that nobody has to pay extra for an aditional card for aditional eye candy developers will start using the tech.

Pay additional? Somehow I think prices will reflect this added piece. But again, if developers don't start using it then forget it...Nvidia hasn't even released what cards will contain the additional hardware, but if say only the high end cards get it, that won't exactly convince developers to use it since the high end cards are still a pretty small market.

[Goliath182]

;147188']Pay additional? Somehow I think prices will reflect this added piece. But again, if developers don't start using it then forget it...Nvidia hasn't even released what cards will contain the additional hardware, but if say only the high end cards get it, that won't exactly convince developers to use it since the high end cards are still a pretty small market.


Eventualy all cards will include it. The first cards to adopt it will be the high end cards but after time the tech will become cheaper.

[PP Mguire]

Pay additional? Somehow I think prices will reflect this added piece. But again, if developers don't start using it then forget it...Nvidia hasn't even released what cards will contain the additional hardware, but if say only the high end cards get it, that won't exactly convince developers to use it since the high end cards are still a pretty small market.Paying additional will be obvious and i doubt they will only integrate it into their highend cards. I believe they will be putting them into all of their cards and its kinda a given you get PhysX now. Of course, we dont know this but id be willing to bet thats what they do. Then again with the 9800GTX "grand sceme" you never know.

[werty316]

NVIDIA will deploy PhysX on CUDA-enabled GPUs later this year. The exact models and availability will be announced in the near future.

Source: http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_physx.html

[Goliath182]

I think PP may be right now that i think about the 8 series. They added the shader clock to all of their cards so why not add PhysX.

[PP Mguire]

Exactly.

Werty, thats in my first post.