600MHz FSB Club

[werty316]

So, who wants to join it?


Biostar Launched P45 Board For Overclockers

JOIN THE FSB 600MHz CLUB WITH TPower I45
With TPower I45 you will be tempted to set overclocking bar higher than ever before. This model was designed with performance users in mind. There are no records that this model cannot break. With just a bit of skills you are able to achieve stunning CPU speeds.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7387/cpuzscreenshotkl7.jpg


Source: http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Biostar_Launched_P45_Board_For_Overclockers/5820.html

[joz]

but its still only 3.7ghz

[werty316]

And you consider that slow?

[Goliath182]

Lol Joz doesn't know the meaning of speed.

Thats a really sweet bus speed!

[werty316]

If that doesn't satisfy his need for speed then he should consider this:

A FSB of ~630Mhz with a multiplier of 6x was used in the above; bumping it to 7x would give a clock speed of ~4.4GHz; 8x would equate to ~5.0GHz.

[joz]

IF,

All I see is 3.7

[Miker]

They are just showing you that the Mobo can do 600FSB, CPU speed means nothing, only that it can get to a whopping 600FSB.

[werty316]

They are just showing you that the Mobo can do 600FSB, CPU speed means nothing, only that it can get to a whopping 600FSB.
Which means a motherboard won't be a bottleneck when overclocking with a CPU that has a low multiplier...

I guess you didn't read what I mentioned earlier and you think ~3.7GHz is nothing??? :dielaffin:

Why does everyone have to be a hater on motherboard that has a lot of overclocking potential?

[Miker]

I am not a hater, I know the feeling of having a locked CPU and a Mobo that doesn't like to OC.

[werty316]

Well theres a way to fix that...

[Miker]

Well theres a way to fix that...

Drop it when I am walking to the kitchen to work on it in the only un-carpeted room?3

[Schwarz]

Actually a high FSB is not only a good option for low multies guys its also good for making your ram run higher.
Being able to run at a high FSB unlocks the power to run your memory higher.
Meaning that it would be easier to get close to a 1:1 ratio.
I will take for an exemple memory running at DDR2 800 and a e4300 with a fsb of 200x9
Basically that stock would give me a ratio of 1:2
1 for the CPU being at 200MHz and 2 for the memory running at DDR2 800 (800/2 = 400)
200/400 = 1/2 which is your ratio.
Now if you did boost your CPU to 400MHz then you would have a 1:1 ratio.
Now a board that can reach 600FSB means you could run memory DDR2 1200...
Thats why FSB can be important.
Its the whole reason why some lower the multi to be able to reach a higher FSB and boost their ram to a better level with keeping the CPU stable.

[foxmobouser]

Is there a reason the CPU-z is missing the Core voltage?

Sounds like a nice board but It will probably cost alot too.

[werty316]

Is there a reason the CPU-z is missing the Core voltage?
Validated CPUz scores don't show the vcore.

Example: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=298224

[Kougar]

Nice FSB and yes, can't argue that it'd be good for low multi chips or high RAM speeds. But the tRD setting for that screenshot is probably around 12. High FSB's come at a steep tRD price beyond 400FSB.

[PP Mguire]

I think my problem with my 3000+ was it didnt like my high FSB.

[joz]

*I* think the problem with your 3000 was that it was an Athlon, and the Core's will always out OC those. And that the average Athlon limit is ~2.8 - 3.3

[PP Mguire]

Well considering how old it was i was really suprised i got a 1ghz overclock out of it.

[the_dope_chaud]

joz, your just dumb if you don't recognize the potential that a bus of 600mhz can offer. (ah wait, we knew already)
you think you know soooooooo much, yet you prove repeatedly your lack of knowledge, once again demonstrated here.

@ shwarz: c'est qui qui t'a tout expiquer sa ? ;)

[PP Mguire]

Aye my French is horrible :(

[joz]

joz, your just dumb if you don't recognize the potential that a bus of 600mhz can offer. (ah wait, we knew already)
you think you know soooooooo much, yet you prove repeatedly your lack of knowledge, once again demonstrated here.

@ shwarz: c'est qui qui t'a tout expiquer sa ? ;)


Thats nice, but I realy don't care about 600mhz bus if its still only 3.7.

600fsb is ego, 3.7ghz cpu is not "godly" "great" "awsome" "insane" etc... anymore.

I would take 3.8 over 600 anyday.

[the_dope_chaud]

Thats nice, but I realy don't care about 600mhz bus if its still only 3.7.

600fsb is ego, 3.7ghz cpu is not "godly" "great" "awsome" "insane" etc... anymore.

I would take 3.8 over 600 anyday.

hahahahaha

You're worst than I thought.....
I'm not even gonna argue, you just seem to miss so many points its not even funny.

[joz]

What use is 600fsb to me, when all I do is internet, halo ce, and school work?

I havent missed any points, your just refusing to see any part of my argument or any of my points in general. 600fsb is WORTHLESS unless your running an app that needs an insane memory bandwidth, and as far as testing has shown, more cpu hertz > fsb hertz when it comes to most real world apps.

sorry, you loose, please try agian after you have gone out and done something to increse your inteligence.

[werty316]

Joz, its obvious you didn't read post #5 (http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=150580#post150580), #12 (http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=150611#post150611), and #15 (http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=150719#post150719) along with what everyone else said.

You would settle for 3.8GHz but not 3.7GHz... :dielaffin: LMAO!!!

Sorry but you lose for being ignorant.

[tyle6]

c'est qui qui t'a tout expiquer sa ?

It seems to be a question of sorts...

LOL you cant use your language like that!! that abuse!

[Goliath182]

You would settle for 3.8GHz but not 3.7GHz... :dielaffin: LMAO!!!
:dielaffin: Lol wow because you know when you hit 3.8 GHz your CPU is magically way better than it was at 3.7.

[PP Mguire]

Joz has a serious case of foot in mouth disease.

[joz]

Im going to go ahead and give you all a fair warning, all of you, are idiots.

That being said, 600FSB, is still only at paltry 3.7.

Nice motherboard, sure, CPU hit 600, ok even better, 3.7ghz? Who cares.

[Goliath182]

Im going to go ahead and give you all a fair warning, all of you, are idiots.

Nice motherboard, sure, CPU hit 600, ok even better, 3.7ghz? Who cares.

:dielaffin: Im pretty sure everyone else here would say your the idiot.

Lol look at your sad OC of only 3.4 GHz.

Everybody point and laugh at Joz. :pointand:

[PP Mguire]

So do we wait to tell him? Or let him stick more feet in his own mouth?

[Kougar]

Guys, can we restore a little maturity here please? Cool it or the thread's getting locked.

Y'all can always agree to disagree without making personal insults. Thanks. :neutral:

[the_dope_chaud]

why is joz still here anyways, nobody is nice with him (with reason...), he has proved over and over how he dosent know how to behave or act amongst others...He has been rude to me and other members often, and he argues worthless causes on the daily....

[joz]

why is joz still here anyways, nobody is nice with him (with reason...), he has proved over and over how he dosent know how to behave or act amongst others...He has been rude to me and other members often, and he argues worthless causes on the daily....
right back at you.

Mr. Rude.

[werty316]

Everyone has already said whats on their mind so lets not drag this discussion on please.

[PP Mguire]

Ok ill finish this then. one word....Multuipplier. Joz that multi is by no means stock for that chip. Just raise it, and you have higher clock speed. Argument over.

[Schwarz]

Let me explain once again...

Lets say I have a Multi of 9 with a FSB of 200 that would give me a clock speed of 1.8.
Now to run at FSB 200 with a multi of 9 and wanted a ratio of 1:1 I would have to run my memory at DDR2 400
You follow me up until there.

Now if I downed the multi to 8 to get 1.8 I would need a FSB of 225 (8x225=1800)
Now im at 1. 8 but my FSB is higher meaning that I could run DDR2 450 to have a ratio of 1:1

Right there you have a higher FSB with the same clock speed meaning you can run your ram higher.

If you apply those rules to overclocking since this is just a simple exemple then you understand why FSB can be important.

Lets take 3.7 for another exemple.
3700Ghz/9Multi=411FSB meaning that you could run DDR2 822 for a 1:1 Ratio
Lets say I wanted to lower the multi to 8 so to get 3700 I would devide it into 8 which would give me 462.5 (3700/8 ) meaning I could run at the same clock speed (3.7GHz) but this time with a FSB of 462.5 meaning I could run DDR2 925 for a 1:1 ratio.
So all in all even if you tell me that Clock speed owns FSB, well I can get to the same clock speed but with a higher FSB = running better memory.

I hope this helped you understand what I mean by having a high FSB is important to get higher performance...

Here are the formulas
3700GHZ / 9 Multi = 411 FSB * 2 = DDR2 822
3700GHZ / 8 Multi = 462 FSB * 2 = DDR2 925
3700GHZ / 7 Multi = 528 FSB * 2 = DDR2 1057
3700GHZ / 6 Multi = 616 FSB * 2 = DDR2 1233

You are at the same clock speed but your ram runs higher = better performance at a 1:1 ratio
Like i explained earlier for the 1:1 ratio you go like this.
FSB 411 = 1 and DDR2 822 (since its DDR2 you devide by 2 and you get 411) so a ratio of 411:411 = 1:1
This can be applied to other clock speed but since we are talking about 3.7 then thats the exemple I went with :)

The way all this work is that when you found the top clock speed ofyour procy THEN you start lowering your multi to get a higher FSB and in turn get a higher running memory and the same clock speed you had before.(This is all in theory but usualy holds true)

I hope im clear in what I am saying cause sometimes its hard for me since im french, my english is not always the best...

BTW the dope thanks for the info.
I know we talked about it a bit the other day and it was very informative :p

[the_dope_chaud]

Oui, je vois que t'a bien capter mon explication, sa fait plaisir. :grin:
mais tu perd ton temp, Il veut rien comprendre, cette pourriture.

[tyle6]

Can we make a "who wants to give JOZ the boot" poll? and if enough people are in agreement.... Hey, we live in a democracy! this should be put to a vote!

[srpeters18]

Pretty sure that falls under the "personal attacks" rules. If you really have a problem with someone, ignore them. If they post, don't reply to it. They'll either come around or go away.

[borschtBomber[SS]]

Look, I can sort of see what joz is saying, though I think he is missing the point of showing that the board can reach that FSB...thats what they are demonstrating, not the overclock of the processor, but the board itself and the FSB shows the ability of the motherboard. If Biostar was in the business of making CPUs, then you would see a higher clock shown.

And guys, if you don't like someone.....simply navigate to User CP -> Edit Ignore List ;)

[PP Mguire]

I would ignore but then i would be lost as to what the convo is about. So i like seeing everything.

[Schwarz]

Im sure ive lost a few of yous in my explanation.
When you get to extreme overclocks you will understand...

[werty316]

Its simple mathematics so it shouldn't be hard to figure out.., atleast for most users ;)

[PP Mguire]

Oui, je vois que t'a bien capter mon explication, sa fait plaisir.
mais tu perd ton temp, Il veut rien comprendre, cette pourriture.Yea he does lose his temper pretty fast.

[Schwarz]

He told me that I understood pretty well what he told me about the whole subject we are talking about.
Recently we had a little talk about it...

And the rest well its better left unknown :p

[PP Mguire]

So my French is horribly off ahahh. Or maybe its becasue i know standard French and yalls Canadian French is alot different.

[the_dope_chaud]

No, I enunciate and write properly, more so in french then english.
And people here just thrash the language, just like texans and cajuns do down there...;-)

[PP Mguire]

I dont trash Enlglish though. I dont talk like your average Texan.

[tyle6]

Yea, was that some sort of slang? I missed alot of it too and i took french in school till grade 10!

[Schwarz]

Oui, je vois que t'a bien capter mon explication, sa fait plaisir. :grin:
mais tu perd ton temp, Il veut rien comprendre, cette pourriture.

Yes, I see that you received (understood) my explanation, its a pleasure.
And I wont go any further but its not slang :p

[Scott]

Since this has went way off topic I am closing this thread.