My new obsession: M3 E92

[AJ.]

I can't stop thinking about it. :jawdrop:

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o180/RC18MT/M3_78_rear.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o180/RC18MT/M3_Front.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o180/RC18MT/M3_Front_7_8.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o180/RC18MT/M3_profile.jpg


I'm going to my local BMW dealership this weekend to test drive it. I can't wait! :grin:

[bozotheclown]

I love that car and I personally like the looks on this one even more:
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8213/vooraanzichtgrootsx0.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1438/achteraanzichtgrootoh4.jpg

Sports version:
http://www.alfaromeo159club.nl/fruyttersprot/tuning/formula21.jpg


I can't stop thinking about it. :jawdrop:




I'm going to my local BMW dealership this weekend to test drive it. I can't wait! :grin:

[AJ.]

Is that an Alfa Romeo?

Btw, no need to quote pics. It just creates a big mess. ;-)

[bozotheclown]

Yes, it's a 159.

I noticed that quoting included the pics so I removed them:)

Is that an Alfa Romeo?

Btw, no need to quote pics. It just creates a big mess. ;-)

[AJ.]

That sports version is sexy. What are the specs on it?

I never really liked the looks of Alfa's but this one is quite acceptable. :)

[bozotheclown]

The final version seems to look a lot less sexy but is positioned as an M3, RS4 and AMG C63 killer so it seems.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/alfa-159-gta.jpg


They crammed a Ferrari/Masarati v8 engine (some 440bhp) under the hood, it's AWD and has a sequential gearbox:) I myself drove the 2.4jtd early version of this model and even that one is a very good drive. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jp7keC360U fun)

For the people that want to take their dog with them whilst speeding, Alfa will also build an estate version of this car.


http://www.topspeed.com/cars/alfa-romeo/2009-alfa-romeo-159-gta-ar48370.html

http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/434/alfa-romeo-159-gta-test-mule

I must say, the front on the pic I posted earlier looks a lot more appealing to me:( The specs however:)



That sports version is sexy. What are the specs on it?

I never really liked the looks of Alfa's but this one is quite acceptable. :)

[AJ.]

Nice. I'd still take the M3 over the Alfa any day, though. The M3 is just on a whole other level of engineering and probably quality as well.

The C63 is cool, but the body styling kills me. The M3 seems to have the best mixture of both styling, performance, and class (IMO). The RS4 is really nice, though.

[bozotheclown]

Well, I wonder. The 159 is designed by a former BMW engineer:) And build quality is the one point they put a lot of effort in with this model.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zON4bWsl2Ek&feature=related

Regular 159 beats regular BMW3 and Merc C handling, tested by Germans of all people;)

Nice. I'd still take the M3 over the Alfa any day, though. The M3 is just on a whole other level of engineering and probably quality as well.

The C63 is cool, but the body styling kills me. The M3 seems to have the best mixture of both styling, performance, and class (IMO). The RS4 is really nice, though.

[AJ.]

I can confidently say that the M3 is better engineered than the Alfa. It's just the build quality on the Alfa I'm not too sure about.

The M3 has one of the most advanced V8's in the world under the hood. The engine is built in the same place they build their F1 engines. There's so many sensors on the engine it's not even sane anymore. It's more than a car; it's a masterpiece. ;-)

The dual clutch transmission is enough for me to drool. It's so smooth.

[bozotheclown]

For the sake of BMW I hope your right;) History shows that Alfa has all it takes to beat BMW (DTM for instance)

Whilst I think the world of BMW engineering, I would never downplay the quality of a Ferrari engine and I don't know if the BMW F1 factory is something to boast about since they have only won 1 race and they won because others royally screwed up and rammed into each other:)

Anyway, if all else fails, I don't realy care. I like the way the Alfa looks, the price is a lot lower and a car is only as good as its driver;)



I can confidently say that the M3 is better engineered than the Alfa. It's just the build quality on the Alfa I'm not too sure about.

The M3 has one of the most advanced V8's in the world under the hood. The engine is built in the same place they build their F1 engines. There's so many sensors on the engine it's not even sane anymore. It's more than a car; it's a masterpiece. ;-)

[AJ.]

That's true. ;-)

Although, I heard that Alfa's depreciate very fast. I remember watching Top Gear a while back and Jeremy mentioned it. He said they depreciate as fast as they accelerate (it was a fast model he was reviewing). I remember a figure around 100 GBP a day for that particular model. :ahhhhh:

[bozotheclown]

It's certainly true they depreciate relatively fast but they're also cheap and there's no better purchase than a well maintained 2nd hand Alfa:)

Dirt cheap, low maintenance since the 156 series, no rust issues and very good technology.

And build quality, well, that's always relative, I've noticed it's very hard to find a second hand BMW that doesn't make weird noises when you go over bumps in the road, have one or more warning lights burning permanently whilst nothing is actually wrong with them etc and that have seats that aren't completely wrecked;)





That's true. ;-)

Although, I heard that Alfa's depreciate very fast. I remember watching Top Gear a while back and Jeremy mentioned it. He said they depreciate as fast as they accelerate (it was a fast model he was reviewing). I remember a figure around 100 GBP a day for that particular model. :ahhhhh:

[AJ.]

It's certainly true they depreciate relatively fast but they're also cheap and there's no better purchase than a well maintained 2nd hand Alfa:)

Dirt cheap, low maintenance since the 156 series, no rust issues and very good technology.

And build quality, well, that's always relative, I've noticed it's very hard to find a second hand BMW that doesn't make weird noises when you go over bumps in the road, have one or more warning lights burning permanently whilst nothing is actually wrong with them etc and that have seats that aren't completely wrecked;)



It depends on how the previous owner maintained it. I bought a second hand 99' 740il and it's in immaculate condition. It drives and looks like the day it was bought from the dealer. The only problem I have with it is this little tiny rattle that happens every once in a while when I hit a bump. Other than that, it's golden.

[bozotheclown]

A 740i is a great car. I liked the earlier 750i (v12) a lot too. We have some nutcases;) running around in Germany that actually put a 750i engine in an e30 model (3series from the mid 80s to early 90s)

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/06/bmw-350i-e30-3-series-with-350hp-bmw.html

It depends on how the previous owner maintained it. I bought a second hand 99' 740il and it's in immaculate condition. It drives and looks like the day it was bought from the dealer. The only problem I have with it is this little tiny rattle that happens every once in a while when I hit a bump. Other than that, it's golden.

[AJ.]

Wow, that must be one hell of a car. :jawdrop:

[PP Mguire]

I think BMW V12s sound as bad as 18 wheelers going down the road.

[AJ.]

I think BMW V12s sound as bad as 18 wheelers going down the road.

They aren't that great, but they're not that bad either. I prefer the nice roar of a V8 or a V10. V8's are my #1 favorite.

[Schwarz]

PP you probably dont know anything about german cars.
I have seen heard and touched a 7 series V12 and its pretty god like.
Doesnt make that much noise either.

Back to the subject.
M3s are my dream car.
I've had 2 bimmers so far and I will never drive anything else.
id want any m3s.
E30s or e36s are also pretty hot.
If i was rich I would go for a E92 but id make sure to get a e30 M3 also.
Its so light, I MEAN I can get my e30 325I to slide pretty easy.

[PP Mguire]

Actualy i do, and ive driven many V12 powerd BMWs. They sound like diesel 18 wheelers.

I prefer the nice roar of a V8 or a V10. V8's are my #1 favorite. V8s are my fav too, but only older ones. They have that muscle sound. V10s sound more whiny like V12s in a Lambo. (Personal experience comparing the sound of a Viper and Lambo)

[AJ.]

Not necessarily. Maybe when just when you're comparing those two cars. The V10 they have in the M5 sounds really nice. I'd say it's closer to V8 than V12.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kW2iVt03NDg&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LDKGJ_dn8pU&feature=related

And the stock exhaust.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z7wt337GYoA

[PP Mguire]

Here, ill quote the description of the first vid for you.

No droning, only the wonderful high pitch wail of the V10. A V8
is by no means high pitched.

This is V8 dude.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tIrqio0kr8w

Haha just saw this.
My client owns one and it sounds like a diesel at start up and doesn't even sound good when it's moving slowly. When you switch to P500 mode and gun it then it sounds great.Comment quote from the stock video.

And for the original topic, i love M3s.

[AJ.]

I think we're on different pages here. We're comparing different types of cars so my definition of a V8 is different than yours. I've only had experience with 'modern' V8's in German cars made by Mercedes and BMW. They have a totally different tone to them. But then again, their exhaust is quite refined. The Shelby you linked me to sounds raw and unrefined.

[PP Mguire]

Either straight side pipes or glass packs. Which is how a V8 should sound ;) And im not comparing the cars im comparing the sound of the V8. You said you like the "roar" of a V8 or V10. I said V10s sound more whiny like a V12 and most newer V8s dont sound all that great.

[Goliath182]

I think we're on different pages here. We're comparing different types of cars so my definition of a V8 is different than yours. I've only had experience with 'modern' V8's in German cars made by Mercedes and BMW. They have a totally different tone to them. But then again, their exhaust is quite refined. The Shelby you linked me to sounds raw and unrefined.
Thats what makes American V8's the best. There not stuck up. They just want to beat the **** out of there European cousins. :lol:

[bozotheclown]

Excuse me, are you seriously claiming Americans have greater knowledge of how to build a great car? Sorry, I can't take you seriously anymore. I can only smile in silence.

Thats what makes American V8's the best. There not stuck up. They just want to beat the **** out of there European cousins. :lol:

[AJ.]

But I still think we both have different definitions of what the 'roar' of a V8 sounds like. I know nothing but modern sports and luxury cars. To me, this is as good as it gets.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dh3qUq5BuD4

Again, we're comparing two different types of cars which makes all the difference in the world. I see what you're saying, though. The V8 in the Shelby is what the 'original' V8 sounds like. It's the core of the deep roar.

[Goliath182]

Excuse me, are you seriously claiming Americans have greater knowledge of how to build a great car? Sorry, I can't take you seriously anymore. I can only smile in silence.
Im saying Europe doesnt know how to build a V8. We have been building cars for longer. :razz:

[AJ.]

Im saying Europe doesnt know how to build a V8. We have been building cars for longer. :razz:

lol. That's a good one. ;-)

[bozotheclown]

History lesson 1. The automobile is a European invention! Look it up.

And if Americans are so great at building engines (which they aren’t), why doesn’t any of them have the balls to build a great F1 car and enter in the most fantastic championship in motorsports, the F1? Oh, I guess that is because they are certainly not as good as Europeans in building a high performance engines and on a side note, American cars handle like overweight pigs;)

BTW. I guess the reason for Americans with real money, to buy a European car, is that European cars are inferiour to American cars then, right?;)


Im saying Europe doesnt know how to build a V8. We have been building cars for longer. :razz:

[PP Mguire]

Again, we're comparing two different types of cars which makes all the difference in the world. I see what you're saying, though. The V8 in the Shelby is what the 'original' V8 sounds like. It's the core of the deep roar.See that sounds like a tamed lion to me not a roar. Lets put it this way, what would sound more intimidating? The Shelby doing 100 coming up behind you on the freeway, or that? The Shelby would be louder and more intimidating which imo is a better roar.

Oh, I guess that is because they are certainly not as good as Europeans in building a high performance engines and on a side note, American cars handle like overweight pigsFirst of all, F1 is a totaly different class of racing. American racing = NASCAR (hehe circle jerks is what i call them), street racing of sorts, and drag racing. Im sorry but any Top Fuel Dragster will outrun anything put out by anybody. Using American V8 power.

Im not a Chevy person.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V6msows8d0&feature=related

But that is quite the engine. A 427 which imo is the best engine ever created. (Shelby and Chevy) And any American car can be equiped with a better suspension to take corners like any European car. In that case, we have you in speed, and now the corners.

Talking in terms of stock
American - Straight line winners
European - corners
Japan - drift

[bozotheclown]

I know F1 is a totally different class, that's why it's so great:)

As for dragster racing, that's not a standard American V8 engine:) It's a higly customized and tuned. We all know that the same can be done with any half decent engine.
I myself have some experience with tuning 2.5 litre 6cylinder BMW engines up to over 450bhp and 600nm torque with great reliability and durability too! (btw. after tuning these engines were placed back in plain cars that wayed less than 1100kilograms! BMW e30)

I love American cars, the classics that is, like old Mustangs, but only to look at;)

Now, let's discuss the handling issue. American cars handle like overweight pigs, simply because, amongst a lot of other reasons, a lot of them still use suspension technology that we used as suspension for the chariots towed by horses long long ago:)
When you take an American car and equip it with a decent suspension system, you still have a car with an awfully bad horsepower to weight ratio leaving it back there in the dust.





See that sounds like a tamed lion to me not a roar. Lets put it this way, what would sound more intimidating? The Shelby doing 100 coming up behind you on the freeway, or that? The Shelby would be louder and more intimidating which imo is a better roar.

First of all, F1 is a totaly different class of racing. American racing = NASCAR (hehe circle jerks is what i call them), street racing of sorts, and drag racing. Im sorry but any Top Fuel Dragster will outrun anything put out by anybody. Using American V8 power.

Im not a Chevy person.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V6msows8d0&feature=related

But that is quite the engine. A 427 which imo is the best engine ever created. (Shelby and Chevy) And any American car can be equiped with a better suspension to take corners like any European car. In that case, we have you in speed, and now the corners.

Talking in terms of stock
American - Straight line winners
European - corners
Japan - drift

[MtDew]

Now, let's discuss the handling issue. American cars handle like overweight pigs, simply because, amongst a lot of other reasons, a lot of them still use suspension technology that we used as suspension for the chariots towed by horses long long ago:)
When you take an American car and equip it with a decent suspension system, you still have a car with an awfully bad horsepower to weight ratio leaving it back there in the dust.

I think we can blame the Ralph Nader, the government and insurance companies for us not having sports cars. We had some great cars i.e. 427 Shelby Cobra, Ford Pantera, Consworth Vega, SVO Mustang, Corvair Monza and Spyder, Ford GT, 69 Z-28 Camaro, Dodge Viper, etc. Also, we do not have an Autobahn where you can legally drive instane speeds or a police force that will turn a blind eye to speeders. I also believe the market has forced the building of cars that are fast in the straight line. After all, how many auto crosses do you hear about in comparison to drag races or oval track?

I had my days that I drove fast. I had a 70's Dodge Cornet that looked like an unmarked police car. I bought this car from my grandfathers estate. My uncle, who had a Dodge dealership sold it to him when a police department backed out on a deal for a pursuit car. All I know, is this thing was fast. The speedo went to 150 or 160 and I could bury the needle on it given a mile or so of road.

[PP Mguire]

Hes got a point there. Most people here like to have little drag races on the highway and dont want to spend alot of money doing it. Of course you got people like me and my dad that like to take it to the track and make it official.

[AJ.]

See that sounds like a tamed lion to me not a roar. Lets put it this way, what would sound more intimidating? The Shelby doing 100 coming up behind you on the freeway, or that? The Shelby would be louder and more intimidating which imo is a better roar.

But to me it's not about intimidation; it's about all around performance and class. I guess you could consider the M3 the polite gentleman and the Shelby the loud rocker. Both have their own personalities. ;-)

I'm happy that we're having a mature discussion about cars that didn't turn into some flame war (crosses fingers). :)

[PP Mguire]

Well im trying to keep it from turning into a Euro vs USA car argument when this thread wasnt intended for that.

If i had an M3 id make it sound mean.

[Schwarz]

Well we all know, if you are going to do some lapping on a track you dont go with a cow of an american car.
I love how the Euro- mostly german cars are perfected in every way.
Or at least they try to perfect them.
While Euro cars are going upwards in technology and quality of design,
American cars are going downwards.
They had great cars back then, but now...
Americans are already making money, and the mentality of North Americans is Money.
Quantity over quality, I mean they export everything to China and so on just to produce more without worying about quality at all...
F1 was made to challenge engineers in every way a car can be challenged.
Making the most powerfull motor but not just to go in a straight line.
You challenge the engineers to balance the car to be perfect.
I think F1 is pure genius.
Theory and calculations meeting real life and skills to obtain the perfect race...
BTW the first internal combustion engine invented was by
Nikolaus August Otto was born on June 14, 1832 in Holzhausen, Germany.
Basically he invented the motor.
All the americans did was make a frame for it and claimed it as their own...as they do with everything...
Then Gottlieb Daimler (We all know Daimler hehe ! ) used Otto s engine and made it lighter and invented the first motorcycle.
(Daimler and Benz merged together to make Mercedez Benz.)
And who doesnt drink a nice cold beer when watching F1 in Montreal (here) or in Indianapolis for you guys and all the other places in the world !
Beer another great german invention !!
Geniuses ! haha !

[AJ.]

I'm heading out tonight to give the M3 a try. I might also go to Audi and check out the new S5 since they're right next to the BMW dealer. :)

[borschtBomber[SS]]

Let us know how she drives, and get pics if you can lol

@Schwarz - spoken like a true Euro snob lol :P And I don't think that 'German' cars are perfect, quite far from it lol

[AJ.]

Eh, something popped up tonight and I can't go. I'll be going tomorrow in the afternoon.

[PP Mguire]

Swarz are you sure you lived here in the US before? Youd know we GET everything from China and hardly make anything here anymore. All of our resources are outsourced now and its why our prices are so friggin high. But, im American, so naturaly i will want an American car. Except i want a classic not a new one. I hate new POS except the RX8. I love the RX8 but its to low for my roads. And dont forget, i already said i believe twice i love the M3.

[darkorb]

PP the thing is everything in the US is dirt cheap compared to prices everywhere, but you guys dont realise that :(

GAS, Food, Comp stuff etc..

[PP Mguire]

And the thing everybody else needs to realize is everybody here is making minimum or slightly above (Minimum is 5.35 an hour btw). The people making enough money dont really complain but they still complain when prices go up because it pretty much changes your lifestyle if you have to penny pench.

[AJ.]

And the thing everybody else needs to realize is everybody here is making minimum or slightly above (Minimum is 5.35 an hour btw). The people making enough money dont really complain but they still complain when prices go up because it pretty much changes your lifestyle if you have to penny pench.

Minimum wage depends on where you live. Where I live it's 8.75 an hour. Most decent jobs here pay $9.50-$10 hourly. But everything is relative with living costs in the Bay Area. Of course, we're talking about an average job that doesn't require much qualifications from an individual. Jobs like working at a fast food place or a local electronics store. Once you get a degree you'll be making much more depending on what you do.

An average computer engineer working near my area will make 70-80k a year. That's anywhere from $38-$42 an hour working 5 days a week, 8hrs each day.

[bozotheclown]

Huh? Outsourcing to a country where they earn in a month what you earn in one hour makes things expensive for you?

Swarz are you sure you lived here in the US before? Youd know we GET everything from China and hardly make anything here anymore. All of our resources are outsourced now and its why our prices are so friggin high. But, im American, so naturaly i will want an American car. Except i want a classic not a new one. I hate new POS except the RX8. I love the RX8 but its to low for my roads. And dont forget, i already said i believe twice i love the M3.

[PP Mguire]

I was tired when i wrote that. What i meant was basicaly we import everything nowadays and its quite annoying. It may say made in USA but i bet it was assembled in Taiwan or something lol

An average computer engineer working near my area will make 70-80k a year. That's anywhere from $38-$42 an hour working 5 days a week, 8hrs each day.Cali has a higher standard of living than the rest of the states becasue of the tax thing you guys got going on. Try getting a job anywhere around here and mostly its all starting minimum and that is $5.35. Which is why im trying so hard for the gas job. I hate being broke all the time.

[Schwarz]

Well I never said anywhere that German cars are perfect ??
All I said was they keep trying to make their brands better and better.

Outsourcing to china is a way to save money PP.
But we all know that china makes cheap products and that is what america is full of.

Investors right now are saving loads of money, but we will slowly see America die because of it.
Its all about the money, but it will kill the country s economy.
First off right now they are saving money but closing facilities in north america, that in return takes away jobs for your own country meaning that people have a weaker buying power.

When I say north america, I dont only blame USA but Canada also.
They all have the same mentality.
(Im canadian BTW and lived a few years in Nevada New York and Florida.)

I know its a little off subject but thats just to bring my point that American Cars nowadays are cheap compared to Euro cars.
(Of course you have cheap cars over there too) but Mercedez, BMW, Porsh are all big Euro car makers that will probably never trade quality over quantity like Americans did with their cars.

If we were to talk about a Pickup, I would probably go for an american one though.
At least they still have dignity for themselves in that line of vehicule.

[PP Mguire]

If America would stop importing so much and start making crap here we wouldnt have such a bad problem.

[darkorb]

This is turning into economics ha

If they made products in the USA, it would be very expensive. You get what you pay for in the end.

[AJ.]

Slightly more on-topic, I went to the BMW dealer today. Excuse my language, but they were nothing short of utter @ssholes to me. They treat people like crap. I'm sorry, they can shove their M3 where the sun don't shine. They can pretty much forget me going back there. This is how they treat paying customers.

I went over to the Audi dealer next door and what a difference. They were totally open to letting me drive a brand new RS4. The sales rep was much nicer and way more polite.

[darkorb]

Yeah, some (most) BMW drivers are uptight, and think they are the ****.

Seeing somebody younger coming in the dealership and asking to drive one of their best cars i can see that happening, not that it should though.

[AJ.]

Yeah, some (most) BMW drivers are uptight, and think they are the ****.

Seeing somebody younger coming in the dealership and asking to drive one of their best cars i can see that happening, not that it should though.

I was with my cousin who's in his 30's. I wasn't alone.

I've driven cars far more expensive and far more fast. I didn't think they would have a problem with me test driving the M3. I think it's complete BS and they don't deserve any business.

The area I'm in is loaded with rich people. Many people buy cars like these for their kids. For all they know, I could have been wanting to buy the car. That's no way to treat a potential customer.

[PP Mguire]

Well its like i always say, Euro cars are for people with more money than brains (most of the time).

[AJ.]

Well its like i always say, Euro cars are for people with more money than brains (most of the time).

Lots of money makes you lose your brains lol. If you're a millionaire, $70k is chump change. They don't care whether or not it's a wise decision.

[Schwarz]

I wonder if sales rep and BMW drivers in Germany are the same.
I know in Japan a sales rep would never treat you that way since its in their educations to respect everyone.
Ive seen a movie made here in Quebec, from a guy going to Japan and making fun of them and they actually never get pissed off (Maybe inside them)
Thats another problem with America, Respect.
Where has it gone too.
I can understand your frustration though.
You go try a car and the guy doesnt even know if you are going to buy it or not and he treats you like a POS just because he judges you before he even knows you...discusting.

I mean I can understand kids nowadays, you go to school and the teacher actually doesnèt give much of a crap about you, and all they care is to go home and make their money.
How can a child learn respect in this world...
(I went to private school in the US so I dont know about teachers in the US in public schools... but here in Quebec ugh, PIGS I tell you)But thats not the subject at hand.

[PP Mguire]

I like to call it stereotyping or judging a book by its cover. If you dont look like you have money they will treat you that way. Except for the Mazda dealer i almost bought an RX8 from. That guy was the nicest guy ever.

[AJ.]

I like to call it stereotyping or judging a book by its cover. If you dont look like you have money they will treat you that way. Except for the Mazda dealer i almost bought an RX8 from. That guy was the nicest guy ever.

It's funny you mention the RX8. My cousin (same one that went with me to the BMW dealer) went to check it out when it first came out. The sales rep he dealt with was a complete jerk so he walked out. :lol:

[PP Mguire]

I got to test drive one as well. Was pretty awesome.

[AJ.]

I got to test drive one as well. Was pretty awesome.

He bought a 350Z instead and modded the hell out of it. The mods he did to it are mainly aesthetic but it's pretty sick. To bad it's not that fast.

[PP Mguire]

All show and no go huh? That sucks.

[AJ.]

All show and no go huh? That sucks.

Pretty much. If I were to race him with my family's 740il I'd obliterate him. :lol:

He's actually trying to sell it now and go german. Once he drove my moms new 04 E500 he started drooling. That 5.0L V8 has a nice punch to it. :)

[PP Mguire]

Why dosent he just put a little more cash into the engine portion of his 350z instead of selling it? Those things can haul ass when you put the right stuff in them.

[AJ.]

Why dosent he just put a little more cash into the engine portion of his 350z instead of selling it? Those things can haul ass when you put the right stuff in them.

He's over Japanese sports cars. It's just a waste to put money into cars like those for them to achieve what German sports cars can do in stock form. Plus, he's learned from experience that leaving the car in stock form is better overall. Sometimes it's not all about how fast you can get from 0-60. ;-)

He's looking at the older M3 (E46) and the new Audi S5.

[darkorb]

Both very nice cars.

Love German cars :)

[PP Mguire]

Plus, he's learned from experience that leaving the car in stock form is better overall. Sometimes it's not all about how fast you can get from 0-60So why does he want a German car that goes faster? Did you not just say how he drove your beamer and drooled cause the V8? I smell contradiction in the air lol.

It's just a waste to put money into cars like those for them to achieve whatAh see ive always said this. But people still want to argue over the ricers for some reason. They should learn how to NOT use such small engines. THey will spend less money.

[AJ.]

So why does he want a German car that goes faster? Did you not just say how he drove your beamer and drooled cause the V8? I smell contradiction in the air lol.

You misunderstood me. I'm not saying that speed is a bad thing. I'm saying that people that modify their cars to make them faster isn't exactly ideal, and that keeping the car in stock form keeps the car in better condition overall. If you want a faster car, just buy one. They put engineers to work at car manufacturers for a reason. lol

And correction, it was the Mercedes. lol

[Goliath182]

It can help a car, but when you fail to strengthen weak parts you run the risk of destroying your car. For example, you wouldn't put a 427 in a Escort and expect it to work fine. You would have to strengthen a lot of different things, not to mention cramming it all in there. :lol:

[PP Mguire]

And correction, it was the Mercedes. lolOh sorry i saw you said he was looking at an m3. And yea i was gonna quote some stuff explaining what i meant but just to lazy right now and i have a wicked headache :(

[AJ.]

It's all good. Hope you feel better. ;-)