How about the new XFX line up.

[Dragon_CPU]

Here are some nice new Graphics cards we have all been waiting for....

XFX 9800GT
http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/Features/9800GTFullyLoaded.aspx?c_src=email&lang=en-us

XFX 9800 GTX+
http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/Features/9800GTXPlus.aspx?c_src=email

XFX 9500GT
http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/Features/9500GT.aspx?c_src=email

XFX 9600GSO 768mb
http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/Features/9600GSO.aspx?c_src=email

[Goliath182]

Pretty sad actually, 3/4 of those are rehashes.

[typh4u]

Pretty much what they should have done in the first place.

[PP Mguire]

Its about time XFX released their +.....right when i have no damn money.

Looks like the 9800GT is my card with a 9 series cooler on it.

[typh4u]

Its about time XFX released their +.....right when i have no damn money.

Looks like the 9800GT is my card with a 9 series cooler on it.

Its a 8800GT bro. Which is damn close to your GS. 9600gso is the same as your 8800GS.

[Miker]

Wow, the 9800GT has the same specs as a 8800GT, that is bull****.3

[Goliath182]

Wow, the 9800GT has the same specs as a 8800GT, that is bull****.3
Lol yea and the 9800 GTX has the same stats as a 8800 GTS 512. Nothing new here.

[PP Mguire]

The 9800GTX+ is what im after becasue its not actualy the same ;)

Its a 8800GT bro. Which is damn close to your GS. 9600gso is the same as your 8800GS.
I said look :) I know what it is its just the 8800GT has the full card cooler and is longer compared to my card. That 9800GT looks exactly like my 8800GS with a 9 series cooler.

[Goliath182]

The 9800GTX+ is what im after becasue its not actualy the same ;)

Its pretty much the same, only difference is the die shrink.

[PP Mguire]

Whih makes it different because it can OC faster, have less heat, and be faster in general.

[Goliath182]

I dont think we will see a huge gap in OCn potential between the GTX and GTX+ as everyone thinks. Chips are limited.

[Methious]

When they shrink a die they also shrink the transistors, the shrunken transistors take less power and operate cooler. (Think 45 NM CPU's)

The shrunken transistors use less power but by the same token can tolerate less power so they limit the power available to them to compensate.

In limiting that power they limit the over clock ability. I don't really see the new shrunk die GPU's being any more over clockable than the 65nm chips.

[PP Mguire]

Have a gander at the reviews. They where all able to OC more than a standard GTX.

[Goliath182]

Have a gander at the reviews. They where all able to OC more than a standard GTX.

With what cooling?

[PP Mguire]

Stock.

[Goliath182]

I would expect that since it runs cooler. I bet the max is about equal. Whats the OC on the GTX+ compared to GTX?

[typh4u]

Still not available in the U.S. Market.