Looking for a good AMD build.

[blackplague]

Im looking at getting

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131874

and

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103962



However i have NEVER used anything AMD. Now with saying that, I'm trying to figure out if that would be a good setup. As of right now it is alot better then what i currently have. Im also wondering how easy overclocking AMD stuff is, i have read alot of forum post and such on it, so i do have an idea as to what i can do and not do. Looking at the bio's they do look pretty extensive compared to what i have now. Im just looking for thought and idea's on this set up i'm looking at getting. I have also seen alot of good about it and hardly any bad.

[Joshua_Mahr]

What are you planning to do with the system. I could give some good recommendations.

Also this is a good idea if you plan to OC you CPU.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106011

[blackplague]

Well what im wanting to do is be able to play most games on max or close to max settings. Right now with the way i have current stuff setup i can play on mid setting's. I also really wanna update to something that handles more ram then what my current mobo can. the real reason i was going AMD is cause of the price difference. The wife said i can spend about $250.00 to update to better then what i have now, if i spend more then that i might not be able to type anymore lol. Well i take that back i can play some games on mid settings with a few things turned off.

[Joshua_Mahr]

You are going to need a complete upgrade for that. GPU/CPU/MOBO/MEM/HD If you only have 250.00 I would spend it on a GPU for now. Like these :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130835

[PP Mguire]

You are going to need a complete upgrade for that. GPU/CPU/MOBO/MEM/HD If you only have 250.00 I would spend it on a GPU for now. Like these :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130835This, a CPU upgrade wont grant you any extra real FPS because your current GPU sucks hard. (no offense)
An Ivy Bridge dual core (i3 3220) would fit the bill very nicely and cheaply without the need to OC if you could get a nice GPU to complement it.

[Joshua_Mahr]

Cold consider this. Would be a good start and you could add a GPU later for XFire.



http://promotions.newegg.com/neemail/wss/dailySS083110/index_ss1.jpg (http://e.newegg.com/servlet/cc6?gLmkQWWDQSWDTVrhkomHuHojxPHohhQJhuVaVWBVXLX)


http://promotions.newegg.com/neemail/wss/dailySS083110/index_ss2.jpg (http://e.newegg.com/servlet/cc6?gLmkQWWDQSWDTVrhkomHuHojxPHohhQJhuVaVWBVXLX)
Thursday, 1/10/2013 (http://e.newegg.com/servlet/cc6?gLmkQWWDQSWDTVrhkomHuHojxPHohhQJhuVaVWBVXLX)
http://promotions.newegg.com/neemail/wss/dailySS083110/index_ss3.jpg (http://e.newegg.com/servlet/cc6?gLmkQWWDQSWDTVrhkomHuHojxPHohhQJhuVaVWBVXLX)


http://promotions.newegg.com/neemail/wss/dailySS083110/index_ss4.gif (http://e.newegg.com/servlet/cc6?gLmkQWWDQSWDTVrhkomHuHojxPHohhQJhuVaVWBVXLX)






http://promotions.newegg.com/neemail/wss/dailySS083110/index_t_deal.gif
1
http://promotions.newegg.com/neemail/wss/dailySS083110/index_t_preview.gif



Available from 12:00AM - 9:59AM PT
1/10/2013




http://c1.neweggimages.com/productimage/19-103-942-03.jpg (http://e.newegg.com/servlet/cc6?gLmkQWWDQSWDTVrhkomHuHojxPHohhQJhuVaVTYVXLX)




http://c1.neweggimages.com/brandimage/Brand1028.gif (http://e.newegg.com/servlet/cc6?gLmkQWWDQSWDTVrhkomHuHojxPHohhQJhuVaVTYVXLX)
http://promotions.newegg.com/neemail/wss/dailySS083110/index_icon_combo1.gif (http://e.newegg.com/servlet/cc6?gLmkQWWDQSWDTVrhkomHuHojxPHohhQJhuVaVTYVXLX)





AMD A8-3850 Quad-Core Radeon HD 6550D APU| MSI A75A-G35 FM1 A75 Motherboard| G.Skill DDR3 8GB Memory| Western Digital 1.5TB HDD| Rosewill ATX Mid Tower| Rosewill 500W PSU SuperCombo (http://e.newegg.com/servlet/cc6?gLmkQWWDQSWDTVrhkomHuHojxPHohhQJhuVaVTYVXLX)


$289.99After $20 MIR (http://e.newegg.com/servlet/cc6?gLmkQWWDQSWDTVrhkomHuHojxPHohhQJhuVaVTYVXLX)











It is FM1 but still a great deal.

[foxmobouser]

FM1 cpus have a bug, you can overclock raising the multiplier but there is no performance increase "empty overclocking"

Go with a FM2 platform and aim for the dual graphics setup. That should fit your budget right and you can plan a fairly cheap upgrade path

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2623/capturecqw.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/capturecqw.png/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Joshua_Mahr]

He only has a 250.00 budget. I do not think it is possible to get a FM2 Mobo, CPU, Ram, HDD for under 250.00.

Also if you OC the GPU on a FM1 it does well. I have 3 of the FM1's for my kids they play most of there games on medium with no problem.

[foxmobouser]

A10-5800k 129$ seen it on sale for 119$
Basic Hudson D2 mobo 45$
HD 6670 50$
and RAM he has already in his sig
thats about 224$ with a few dollars headroom.
later he can upgrade to a Hudson D4 or if so desire or just go with a D4 right from the start for just a few bucks more

[PP Mguire]

Forgot about his 250 dollar budget.

He could always get an IB Pentium, B75 board, and a 7770. Would be ~250 as well.

[blackplague]

This, a CPU upgrade wont grant you any extra real FPS because your current GPU sucks hard. (no offense)
An Ivy Bridge dual core (i3 3220) would fit the bill very nicely and cheaply without the need to OC if you could get a nice GPU to complement it.


LOL yeah the vid card did suck, i however got a Sapphire HD6570 in there now, i forgot to change the sig thing. See i was looking at intel to but im stuck with the 1st gen and 2nd gen stuff for the i chips and it confused the hell out of me (not too tech savvy here) lol. As far as hard drive space im not too concerned about what i have cause it works for me. And im sure that the ram i have should work in most things, i went from having 1gig to having 8gigs and 8gigs is enough for now, but i would like the option to atleast go to 16gigs in the future. And i never realized that a vid card has that much control over fps and running stuff on max. But i'm gonna look into it. I however do not wanna bottle neck with spending the $250 on the vid card and that alone. I really appreciate everyone's input and help on this

[Joshua_Mahr]

If you can do like Fox said and Get a FM2 on D4 for under 250.00 I would do that.

Best I can see:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280 129.00 CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130663 99.00 MOBO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136771 49.00 SATA3 HDD

Use existing ram but I would upgrade to at least DDR3-1866
That is still 280.00 just for those parts though.

[PP Mguire]

LOL yeah the vid card did suck, i however got a Sapphire HD6570 in there now, i forgot to change the sig thing. See i was looking at intel to but im stuck with the 1st gen and 2nd gen stuff for the i chips and it confused the hell out of me (not too tech savvy here) lol. As far as hard drive space im not too concerned about what i have cause it works for me. And im sure that the ram i have should work in most things, i went from having 1gig to having 8gigs and 8gigs is enough for now, but i would like the option to atleast go to 16gigs in the future. And i never realized that a vid card has that much control over fps and running stuff on max. But i'm gonna look into it. I however do not wanna bottle neck with spending the $250 on the vid card and that alone. I really appreciate everyone's input and help on thisI gave a suggestion in my last post that gives a CPU that is like 10x more powerful (not literally, but damn close) and a GPU actually worth a crap. It isn't what I would consider good but way better than say the 6570 or 6670. If I was on a budget it's what I would do. The B75 board gives you the option to get a better i5 later if you want and up to 16GB of RAM while staying in your budget.

Yes, at 1080p 90% of all games out there today are all GPU dependent. I've been proving this on another forum by running a series of tests on my old 6000+ and FPS difference between that and my i5 750 at stock. The 6000+ is dual core, 3 years older, and about the same as your PD. Obviously, with a way better CPU you're going to get way better performance but on some games the difference between my 6000+ and 3960x were at best around 7FPS. No joke, I think the highest was 7FPS. 1000 dollar 2011 vs 2006/7 like 200 dollar CPU. I'm waiting on 8GB of DDR2 so I can do some real testing with my 580 on both rigs so the playing field is more even. But, a 5850 and 6000+ I got 59fps Ultra on BF3 with no AA. That wasn't SP either, it was MP on a 48 player server. Just to give a little insight to what I mean.

Reason I'm explaining this is because there is this thing that is stuck in a ton of peoples heads that they need the quad Intel or 8 core AMD to be able to max games. False. In a lot of budget rigs I simply recommend the i3 because it can and will do what 80% of people want out there. That includes rigs that wont be doing any VM work, heavy Photoshop/Premier, CAD ect. Just pure gaming.

[CDsDontBurn]

I still have my e5400 CPU. Definitely better than the Pentium-D you're running in your system now. I might (technically still have it, but not sure if the buyer will come through or not) my AMD FX-4170 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106009&Tpk=amd%20fx-4170) and DDR3 1333 I can sell you for a good price if this guy doesn't come through. That way you can have some headroom on purchasing a 970 or 990 chipset motherboard and possible a better video card as well. Of course this depends on if the guy doesn't come through and you want to go this route.

But, if you don't want to go that route and / or the guy does come through, it's cool. What a lot of people here have already said is pretty much right. You can go the route of an AMD FM1 / FM2 system or an Intel i3 system. Based on your budget of $250, here's what I think you can get away with. Mind you, this is w/o a GPU in the mix since you already have one.

AMD Setup:

RAM: 16GB (2x 8GB) 1333Mhz Crucial Value RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148466), $73
CPU: AMD FX-4170 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106009), $120 OR AMD FX-6100 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103962), $120
MoBo: MSI 970A-G46 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130637), $80 + $8 shipping


Total, $273 + $8 shipping

Intel Setup:

RAM: 16GB (2x 8GB) 1333Mhz Crucial Value RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148466), $73
CPU: Intel i3-2120 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115077), $125
MoBo: MSI B75MA-E33 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130654), $60 + $7 shipping


Total, $258 + $7 shipping

The AMD setup is nearly $25 over your budget and the Intel setup here is only $8 over your budget + shipping on both. With the AMD setup I've proposed, you can modify a few things to bring down the price. Specifically the motherboard. An alternative motherboard I had in mind was the ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131795). It is only $60 AND it has free shipping (the MSI one doesn't), and would effectively place the AMD setup to be only $3 over your $250 budget.

[PP Mguire]

I still have my e5400 CPU. Definitely better than the Pentium-D you're running in your system now. I might (technically still have it, but not sure if the buyer will come through or not) my AMD FX-4170 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106009&Tpk=amd%20fx-4170) and DDR3 1333 I can sell you for a good price if this guy doesn't come through. That way you can have some headroom on purchasing a 970 or 990 chipset motherboard and possible a better video card as well. Of course this depends on if the guy doesn't come through and you want to go this route.

But, if you don't want to go that route and / or the guy does come through, it's cool. What a lot of people here have already said is pretty much right. You can go the route of an AMD FM1 / FM2 system or an Intel i3 system. Based on your budget of $250, here's what I think you can get away with. Mind you, this is w/o a GPU in the mix since you already have one.

AMD Setup:

RAM: 16GB (2x 8GB) 1333Mhz Crucial Value RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148466), $73
CPU: AMD FX-4170 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106009), $120 OR AMD FX-6100 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103962), $120
MoBo: MSI 970A-G46 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130637), $80 + $8 shipping


Total, $273 + $8 shipping

Intel Setup:

RAM: 16GB (2x 8GB) 1333Mhz Crucial Value RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148466), $73
CPU: Intel i3-2120 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115077), $125
MoBo: MSI B75MA-E33 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130654), $60 + $7 shipping


Total, $258 + $7 shipping

The AMD setup is nearly $25 over your budget and the Intel setup here is only $8 over your budget + shipping on both. With the AMD setup I've proposed, you can modify a few things to bring down the price. Specifically the motherboard. An alternative motherboard I had in mind was the ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131795). It is only $60 AND it has free shipping (the MSI one doesn't), and would effectively place the AMD setup to be only $3 over your $250 budget.
The need for more than 8GB of RAM isn't there. You're adding about 30 bucks to each for nothing honestly. Matter a fact, I was gaming perfectly fine on 4GB of RAM the other day just as a general test for another forum I'm on. He would be better off with 8GB 1600 rather than 16 of 1333.

Another thing, the i3 3220 is 4 dollars more than the SB i3 with more performance.

Either way, if he keeps his current DDR3 he could go this way. Albeit slightly over his budget but he gets a MUCH better GPU.

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116777

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157335

GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202011

All for 270. It's what I was talking about in my previous post.

[CDsDontBurn]

The need for more than 8GB of RAM isn't there. You're adding about 30 bucks to each for nothing honestly. Matter a fact, I was gaming perfectly fine on 4GB of RAM the other day just as a general test for another forum I'm on. He would be better off with 8GB 1600 rather than 16 of 1333.

Another thing, the i3 3220 is 4 dollars more than the SB i3 with more performance.

Either way, if he keeps his current DDR3 he could go this way. Albeit slightly over his budget but he gets a MUCH better GPU.

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116777

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157335

GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202011

All for 270. It's what I was talking about in my previous post.

I know you're right about the RAM thing. I placed it there more as a future proof thing than anything on my two possible setups. 8GB of 1600Mhz RAM would be just as fine in a system today as would be 16GB 1333Mhz RAM but for a much cheaper price.

@ OP: HERE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611+600006050+600006069+600006127&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=147&description=&hisInDesc=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&AdvancedSearch=1&srchInDesc=) is a list of 8GB (2x 4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz kits available for less than half of the price of the 16GB kit I placed in my previous post. IMO, you can go with one of these kits and either the AMD or Intel setup I picked out and be under budget on both systems. You would still have to use your 6570 and upgrade that later though.

[blackplague]

The need for more than 8GB of RAM isn't there. You're adding about 30 bucks to each for nothing honestly. Matter a fact, I was gaming perfectly fine on 4GB of RAM the other day just as a general test for another forum I'm on. He would be better off with 8GB 1600 rather than 16 of 1333.

Another thing, the i3 3220 is 4 dollars more than the SB i3 with more performance.

Either way, if he keeps his current DDR3 he could go this way. Albeit slightly over his budget but he gets a MUCH better GPU.

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116777

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157335

GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202011

All for 270. It's what I was talking about in my previous post.


More then likely im gonna check into this build here and im gonna try and see how much i can get for my current mobo and cpu and i should be able to add a few more dollar's to the 250 to cover the intel build you pointed out

[PP Mguire]

I know you're right about the RAM thing. I placed it there more as a future proof thing than anything on my two possible setups. 8GB of 1600Mhz RAM would be just as fine in a system today as would be 16GB 1333Mhz RAM but for a much cheaper price.

@ OP: HERE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611+600006050+600006069+600006127&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=147&description=&hisInDesc=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&AdvancedSearch=1&srchInDesc=) is a list of 8GB (2x 4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz kits available for less than half of the price of the 16GB kit I placed in my previous post. IMO, you can go with one of these kits and either the AMD or Intel setup I picked out and be under budget on both systems. You would still have to use your 6570 and upgrade that later though.IMO the time the need for 16GB comes around DDR4 will be mainstream. Unless I'm purposely trying to hog RAM I can never use more than 8GB. If I did, Windows would be screaming at me saying I'm out of virtual memory lol. THis is purely on a gaming basis though. Even still, I do encoding, lots of compression, Photoshop/Premier ect.

This might change once the new consoles come out and we start getting new ports but I doubt it.

[foxmobouser]

With the FM1 and 2 if using the integrated gpu or using dual graphics the more memory and the higher clock speed the better.

[PP Mguire]

With the FM1 and 2 if using the integrated gpu or using dual graphics the more memory and the higher clock speed the better.
This is going to sound bad, but you can only make a turd run so fast.

[foxmobouser]

For clarity: I'm running one 8GB kit and one 4GB kit in dual channel on a P67 mainboard with a 2500K Sandy Bridge processor. That's how I got 12GB. I previously had a system with 4GB of RAM, and I can definitely tell the difference in multitasking without the aid of a stopwatch.

Loading levels once the game starts will also be positively affected, leading to a smoother-feeling game experience. The games themselves won't play differently but they will look differently with higher detail levels and less graphical anomalies like missing textures and such. This also makes for a better gaming experience. Any time a game has to pause/stop and load anything at all, more RAM makes it faster. These are not measurable with benchmarks and stopwatches -- they are subjective (but very real) differences.

If you get two kits of the same kind of RAM at the same time, you minimize (to as close to zero as you can get) the likelihood of incompatibilities and instabilities that can cause slowdowns. Of course, sometimes boards can't populate all four RAM slots unless you loosen the timings, but that tends to happen mainly to older boards.

I still recommend 12GB or 16GB.

I still think it's quite subjective and depending on user how much memory they decide to go with.

Here's a couple links to threads/articles for further reading on the issue as many have already written books about it ;)

1. Is It Time To Add More RAM?

2. 8gb vs 16gb DDR3 on P67 I5 2500K (http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/264478-29-16gb-ddr3-2500k)

Just to add on a personal note I was running 16GB on my AM3+ build with a ramdisk and recently removed 8GB and have noticed a "subjective" drop in performance overall.

[PP Mguire]

Yea I call BS. This was on a stock system with no pagefile.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/pp_mguire/Desktops%20and%20benchmark/BF3i5750580stock.jpg

If you have 16 dropping to 8 there wont be any amount of drop in performance unless you are running way too many things in the background. I have tested 32, to 16, to 8, to 4, and even 2GB in BF3 alone. 8 to 4 made a slight difference and the only "significant" drop was 2GB due to Windows being such a hog. Try to realize (this is for everyone) there is no game that will take more than 2.5GB of RAM without help. That being said, my highly modified copy of Skyrim maxed out with 8xAA and the works used a max of 2.2GB of RAM. That means for a difference from 8 to 16 you need to have upwards of 6GB of RAM being used by background tasks and that right there will bog a machine down. On a 2500k there is absolutely no difference in FPS when changing RAM.

When using 4GB of RAM as a system main for browsing the only time my machine got sluggish was when I had multiple tabs open in Chrome. Even though I wasn't using the full 4GB it was still getting sluggish due to the nature of the browser using a process per tab. I think if my CPU was OCed a bit it would alleviate this problem as before I got a 2500k last Feb I had no troubles using 4GB of RAM. Then again, I don't run 10 things in the background either. It's unnecessary.

Edit: Forgot to put even though mentioned, this was done with a stock i5 750, 8GB and 4GB of 1600MHz RAM, and a stock 580 using the 310.70 drivers in Windows 7. Map was Canals 64p in TDM. Lots of explosions and each test ran 5 minutes a piece.

[Goliath182]

It is as if no one is reading that he already has 8 GB of DDR3 :lol: I know its not common, but 775 boards had DDR3 too, so you can never assume.

As for PP's suggestion, that is what I would go for, best bang for the buck.

Also, I game on 4 GB atm because I'm undecided on if I want to pay more for triple channel RAM or not, and I have no issues.

[blackplague]

It is as if no one is reading that he already has 8 GB of DDR3 :lol: I know its not common, but 775 boards had DDR3 too, so you can never assume.

As for PP's suggestion, that is what I would go for, best bang for the buck.

Also, I game on 4 GB atm because I'm undecided on if I want to pay more for triple channel RAM or not, and I have no issues.


lol it took me a few days of looking to find that MoBo. But the only thing i didnt notice when i got that board is SSD's run in IDE mode and there is no way to change it.... I only came to find this out the other night when i tried to run a benchmark on my SSD and couldn't figure out why i was getting BS scores on it

[PP Mguire]

It is as if no one is reading that he already has 8 GB of DDR3 :lol: I know its not common, but 775 boards had DDR3 too, so you can never assume.

As for PP's suggestion, that is what I would go for, best bang for the buck.

Also, I game on 4 GB atm because I'm undecided on if I want to pay more for triple channel RAM or not, and I have no issues.

My recommendations came with the knowledge that he had 8GB of RAM. I try to get people to reuse parts if they can to save money. Only makes sense. For gaming GPU power is needed more than CPU so upgrading his GPU makes the most sense to me.