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Kougar
07-13-2006, 03:35 PM
Whoa, so I guess your PS3 made be missing a few of those cores Sony has been touting around...

Cell processor reliability details may surprise you

As Sony's PlayStation 3 console nears its official release, more focus has turned to the technical wizardry that lays inside the actual machine. The Cell processor, developed by IBM, Sony and Toshiba, has gained a great deal of attention over the last year. In an interview with Electronic News however, IBM vice president of Semiconductor and Technology Services Tom Reeves says that his company is lucky if it can get 10% to 20% yields on the Cell processor.

The Cell processor is so complex that IBM even accepts chips that have only four out of the eight cores working. Not all cores end up functional says Reeves. In regards to why the yields are so low, Reeves says "[defects becomes a bigger problem the bigger the chip is. With chips that are one-by-one and silicon germanium, we can get yields of 95 percent. With a chip like the Cell processor, you’re lucky to get 10 or 20 percent. If you put logic redundancy on it, you can double that." According to Reeves, Sony will be using Cell processors whether they have all cores functional or not. Reeves says that the PlayStation 3 requires at least seven of the eight cores operational.

Lots more info at http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3295 (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3295)

XJnine
07-13-2006, 04:21 PM
Wow... Can you imagine any other business where 80 to 90% of your product you manufacture is defective?

Obviously they can't keep this up. That much wasted manufacturing time will eat their money away really quick. Fab's are expensive to operate. (duh)

Kougar
07-13-2006, 06:23 PM
Well, I guess this is why the production cost listing for the processor was so high to begin with, they were expecting marginal yields...

Did you see this part though??? Good grief, I didn't realize this was a issue. I just lost whatever marginal interest in a PS3 I had, especially "used" models...

In the interview, Reeves also talks about failure rate as there is a possibility that one of the cores in the Cell will "blow" at any given time. Reeves says that usually, testing during fabrication stages will detect whether a core or more will be problematic. Using electrical "fuses", IBM can "blow" out a core during wafer testing. When asked what would happen if a 7-core PlayStation 3 ends up losing another core during operation, Reeves stated that the user would simply send the unit back for replacement. Unfortunately, this only applies if the console is still under warranty -- if it isn't, the console is dead.

Das Capitolin
07-13-2006, 06:43 PM
Well, I guess this is why the production cost listing for the processor was so high to begin with, they were expecting marginal yields...

Did you see this part though??? Good grief, I didn't realize this was a issue. I just lost whatever marginal interest in a PS3 I had, especially "used" models...

Did you hear that? That was the final nail in the coffin for IBM's core CPU and the PS3. Nobody that follows the news about either of these two are likly to buy these products. Nobody with common sense, that is.

werty316
07-13-2006, 06:46 PM
Geeze looks like bad luck for the PS3 and I wonder how this will effect its release date if they can't get a higher yield. Thats some big time lossed $.

Kougar
07-13-2006, 07:09 PM
It's incredible... They offered up alot of reasons for designing and producing a specialized processor to begin with, however all the financial reasons seem pretty much hollow now. They could have decreased at least a hundred off the cost of production of each unit using an already produced processor such as an AMD X2, but instead they had to differentiate their console from a "PC". And they knew this... although I bet they didn't except quite so low a yield rate.

Here's a quote from Arstechnica, who happen to place a $230 per Cell processor:

The other issue is the Cell processor. It's big (235mm2) and expensive to manufacture. As time goes by and IBM gets better at making the Cell, prices will drop and yields will improve. Once IBM moves to a 65nm manufacturing process for the Cell, that will help too. :lol: