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Das Capitolin
07-13-2006, 05:13 PM
Is Intel killing PC gaming?By Bobbie Johnson / Gaming 12:18pm

I'm just heading back to London after a quick visit to the Develop in Brighton conference, where some of the gaming industry's biggest developers are banging their heads together.

I was there to hear Mark Rein of Epic (they make games like Unreal Tournament) railing against Intel's dangerous influence over the PC market - and in the most extraordinary manner.

"I'm concerned about the level of growth in the PC games business," he told the audience, pointing particularly to the strategy of rolling out integrated graphics in computers rather than dedicated ones. "A $900 PC is nowhere near as capable as a $299 XBox 360 console: we're losing PC gamers in record numbers."

Rein placed the blame firmly at Intel's door, for an approach to the computer market that tended to go for the lowest common denominator . He suggested that the lack of graphical power was holding back further developments in all kinds of software, not just games, and claimed Microsoft had "capitulated" to Intel by not enforcing 3D power on the desktop. Such a change would cost very little - he suggested between $5 and $8 - but the result is that the gaming industry is now thinking of abandoning PCs completely in favour of consoles.

"The high end is getting higher and the low end is getting lower," he said. "But even if somebody spends $1,000 on a graphics card, we're still only making $25 from them."

The audience response was mixed - certainly many people took issue with what they saw as a high-end games developer spitting out sour grapes when the consumer market didn't really care about graphical capabilities. Rein's answer was clear: "It sickens me that Intel's going to sell a four-core processor next year, with *this* much graphics."

What do you think? Are you a PC gamer? Have you given up playing on your computer? Are you a developer who thinks he was talking nonsense?

Story: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2006/07/12/is_intel_killing_pc_gaming.html

XJnine
07-13-2006, 06:04 PM
It makes sense to me. I bet upwards of 90% of the PC's sold today don't have the gaming power of an original Xbox, much less the 360. It's really kind of sad how that has become an afterthought. I actually put a little blame on ATI and Nvidia too. They keep on releasing high end cards followed by the low end ones that technically have the features but they don't have the horsepower to run any of the games that utilize those features. A builder like Dell can offer a system with the 3D features a novice was told to look for but they'll be disappointed when they find out they still can't run their games at a reasonable framerate because the card is just too slow.

Kougar
07-13-2006, 06:06 PM
What do I think? I think this guy is either pushing his agenda or completely naive about the Core 2 Duo, or I'm simply missing his point. Some of the Core 2 Duo's best results are in games, and it doesn't matter if it's a $183 or $999 model. At either end of the spectrum they don't just edge ahead of AMD's offerings, but they jump ahead by some huge margins in gaming performance. And it just made the gaming consoles obsolete doing so... ;)

The majority of PCs are sold to be a PC, not a gaming platform. It doesn't take much to turn one into a gaming platform that can eclipse last years consoles in the quality of the games graphics. Once DX10 arrives, the 360 and PS3 both will have instantly become very obsolete.

Das Capitolin
07-13-2006, 06:12 PM
"It sickens me that Intel's going to sell a four-core processor next year, with *this* much graphics."
Story: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2006/07/12/is_intel_killing_pc_gaming.html

I think this say's it all. Integrated Intel GPU's are very weak indead, compared to the other tech that is on the board. Yet gamers don't buy Intel for the integrated graphics, they buy for the processing power and depend on an add-on GPU. I am not aware of an AMD based GPU that does any better. So it does not make sense to bash Intel regarding this "issue".

I can tell you this much though, Epic won't be receiving much assistance from Intel anytime soon after this.

Kougar
07-13-2006, 06:28 PM
If Intel's junky GMA900 and (relatively) better GMA950 integrated graphics are the issue, then that shouldn't be a problem any longer. Intel is releasing the x3000 integrated graphics, which should be okay for the low end... ATI is releasing AMD integrated graphics chipsets with x700 logic built in as well. Either of these ought to suffice for the low end tier user.

tomato
07-13-2006, 07:00 PM
I can see the articles POV, in that if a gamer has a choice between spending $1000+ on a new PC, or $300-$400 on a new console, the console is gonna look mighty attractive... especially the new next-gen stuff, which come close to emulating current PC graphics (at least to the n00b ;)) But the writer does sound jaded, as the PC is not only used for gaming, but rather a multitude of functions.