Bjorn3D.com and Folding@Home Team

[Das Capitolin]

Almost two weeks ago I stumbled onto the F@H thread while posting like a mad man. I thought to myself: self, couldn't you install F@H on all of your idle systems to help fight cancer? I told myself that I could, especially since cancer has wiped out both side of my family save for parents, who are in remission.

So I joined the Bjorn3D.com F@H team (41608 ) and started folding. At the time I joined, the team was in slow decline with all of seven active members. Then, a few days later Scott mentioned something about a contest in August featuring the F@H project. I though this would inspire some members to start configuring the project now, and get the bugs worked out before the contest, but so far only one person has done this.

Please revive the Bjorn3D.com F@H team! Using the info at the bottom of this post, download and configure the client so you can help medical research on behalf of Bjorn3D! Next month you might even win a prize for it from Bjorn3D!!!

Das Capitolin's F@H FAQ (Short - MUST READ!): http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=39934#post39934
Download F@H: http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html
Team Stats: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=41608
Wiki FAQ: http://fahwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page

[werty316]

Its good that there is support towards fight on a so far incurable desease that has touched tones of people lives and lives around them.

[Das Capitolin]

Well, we are up to nine active members. Please make sure that you have indicated that you want to fold for team 41608.

Those of you who have mentioned that you have started folding, make sure that you go here (http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=41608) to check your status after one day.

[Kougar]

Da Capitolin, you have become your own team with all of those WUs you are running through... You are putting out more PPD than any single person in the entire Anandtech team, and more than most of our members combined. :-P

Nice job! ;)

[Das Capitolin]

Da Capitolin, you have become your own team with all of those WUs you are running through... You are putting out more PPD than any single person in the entire Anandtech team, and more than most of our members combined. :-P

Nice job! ;)

Thank you! You know, I am trying to revive the Bjorn3D folding team. However, my inspiration seems a little less then motivating. I hope that Scott continues to offer F@H for next months contest, because I would really like to see more people involved. Once they get it started it's as easy as breathing.

I will continue folding, regardless, but let's hope that Bjorn3D's team starts to show more enthusiasm.

[werty316]

I hope that Scott continues to offer F@H for next months contest, because I would really like to see more people involved.
Start recruiting.

[Das Capitolin]

I am surprised that the pot is calling the kettle black!

That's the very same case with you and this months contest, yet you don't seem to mind that. Do you?

[werty316]

Folding is entirely different and not everyone has access to several computers.

[Das Capitolin]

Folding is entirely different and not everyone has access to several computers.

And what makes you think that everyone has the time to sit on a computer posting all the time? I have commitments that don't include posting in forums. I train as an athlete, and I have a social life. Not every contest will be 100% equal to everyone. Last months BF2 contest meant that you had to have BF2, but not everyone did. It's all the same, you have time to spare, and I have computers to spare; or at least I used to.

[XJnine]

Werty,

One more thing to consider. Folding is something you have to want to do. Das is lucky to have access to some system at work (I'm guessing they're not all home PC's). I happen to be running Folding@home on 11 computers at my home. You would not believe the cost to me as far as my power bill goes. Am I making a sacrifice to run F@H? Hell yes! But I believe it's something worth doing. It ends up costing me about $75 a month extra to have all these PC's running. During the summer with the A/C running full blast here in Florida my electric bill is absurd but I deal with it because the pain is worth the reward. All this and I still probably have no chance at winning next month if I decide to try to win the contest. It makes no difference to me. I've been coming to this site for years and I will continue to. The contest makes no difference to me, I contribute when I feel it's appropriate and when I want to.

You may not have extra PC's to run F@H and you may not win the contest next month but if all your concerned with is winning contests maybe F@H isn't the best thing for you since it does involve a little sacrifice for the greater good.

[Das Capitolin]

Werty,

One more thing to consider. Folding is something you have to want to do. Das is lucky to have access to some system at work (I'm guessing they're not all home PC's). I happen to be running Folding@home on 11 computers at my home. You would not believe the cost to me as far as my power bill goes. Am I making a sacrifice to run F@H? Hell yes! But I believe it's something worth doing. It ends up costing me about $75 a month extra to have all these PC's running. During the summer with the A/C running full blast here in Florida my electric bill is absurd but I deal with it because the pain is worth the reward. All this and I still probably have no chance at winning next month if I decide to try to win the contest. It makes no difference to me. I've been coming to this site for years and I will continue to. The contest makes no difference to me, I contribute when I feel it's appropriate and when I want to.

You may not have extra PC's to run F@H and you may not win the contest next month but if all your concerned with is winning contests maybe F@H isn't the best thing for you since it does involve a little sacrifice for the greater good.

It costs me some extra money too, but since I have a cancer prone gene pool to live with I figure it is worth it. I have installed F@H on all ten of the systems I own, and a few of my friends - which I might add I did just prior to Scott mentioning a contest.

I took the time to try and devise a contest that would be fair to everyone, but all you did (werty) is put it down and say I should leave it up to Scott. Now it looks like you might not win a third contest here, and it becomes an issue.

In the big picture, I suppose it is fair for you to point out that I have done more with F@H then anyone else here has, but in the same breath you had better remember that none of you bothered to get off you lazy ****ing asses to start folding until either I tried to motivate you or Scott mentioned a contest. Contest or not I will still fold. But don't accuse me of having an unfair advantage because the rules have not been laid out, and you assume that there isn't someone else out there that is just holding back.

Or maybe you just hate to see me win?

[werty316]

blah blah blah I am entitled to my opinion like eveyone else and I wouldn't have figured talking about it would upset you this much. I have two instances why I call on you sometimes which I will not talk about since they don't relate to this site.

[Kougar]

I think it shows something about a person when they're willing to go the extra yard, especially when it impacts them financially. Congrats XJNine, I think ya deserve one too! ;)

I'll fire up the faster PC in my farm again and see if I can try and balance the power bill better to offset it... It sounds like Florida doesn't tack on peak time usage fees and such, or do they? The local power company here added a $50 or $53 fee JUST because last months power bill was high and had some heavy peak usage during mid-day... Then they proceeded to charge double the kilowatt hour rate for the electricity used during those same peak usage times the fee surcharge was for...

Just another good reason to want to move North I guess, eh? :mrgreen:

[GIBSON]

I can agree that most people don't have that high chances in winning a folding contest, but I'd say participate anyway! It's for a good cause and IMHO you don't have to be focussed on winning contests all the time!
BTW Kudos to XJnine for sacrificing a bit of his own to help out other people!

[vfrex]

I think it also becomes a matter of, if I have no chance of winning, why should I fold for bjorn3d? I've folded before in a few different teams, and with my new cool running computer, I started again.

[XJnine]

I think it also becomes a matter of, if I have no chance of winning, why should I fold for bjorn3d?

Why not? Did you only fold for the other teams because you had an opportunity to win something?

I think the first point is, Fold. Period. It's better to be folding for another team than not at all.

Why fold for Bjorn3D? I personally am on this team since this is the one website I have consistently read and visited over the last 8 years. I wanted to be able to support the website in some way and when they started up a F@H team I wanted to contribute. Higher F@H ranking does mean extra visibility for the site. You should fold for whichever team you want to support. If you don't want to support Bjorn3D that's fine but don't ask why you should fold for this team. You should fold for this team because you want to not because someone might throw goodies at you.

Why Bjorn3D? No reason should be necessary....

[vfrex]

The way I understand it, contests are in part to help attract new members to the site. The users get attracted by the contest, participate the forum, enjoy the community, and stay. Now, I like the community and intend to stick around, but I can see how people attracted by the hopes of winning something would be disappointed by the fact that it isn't a level playing field. Not everybody has access to clusters of computers for the purpose of borging. Not everybody has extreme amounts of time, let alone things worth posting.

The admin of this site are extremely generous to provide these contests and prizes, and I don't think we can thank them enough for them. I just wonder if other people might become discouraged after finding the site and contests, but realizing that it is next to impossible to win. I mean, for the time that you'd have to spent posting to win July's contest, you could have gotten a part time job and probably made enough money to buy the prize anyway.

[Das Capitolin]

The way I understand it, contests are in part to help attract new members to the site. The users get attracted by the contest, participate the forum, enjoy the community, and stay. Now, I like the community and intend to stick around, but I can see how people attracted by the hopes of winning something would be disappointed by the fact that it isn't a level playing field. Not everybody has access to clusters of computers for the purpose of borging. Not everybody has extreme amounts of time, let alone things worth posting.

The admin of this site are extremely generous to provide these contests and prizes, and I don't think we can thank them enough for them. I just wonder if other people might become discouraged after finding the site and contests, but realizing that it is next to impossible to win. I mean, for the time that you'd have to spent posting to win July's contest, you could have gotten a part time job and probably made enough money to buy the prize anyway.


Sadly, most of this is true, and I have been saying this same thing all along. I even started a thread over here (http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8787) that asks the members for their input in creating a totally level contest, but all I got was grief and very few ideas.

While I am not far off from XJnine in the F@H motivation, I joined the team because of the cause, but also because I like this forum and its members. Could I go fold for someone else? Sure I could, and I could also start my own team. But why would I? Why not fold for Bjorn3d? Besides, it won't be long before XJnine is in 2nd place.

As for these contests; the gread is clearly evident. I have, and will continue to encourage the rule that restricts previous contest winners (at any level) to compete in new contests. I have already won one contest by being better then others at BF2. Was that fair that I was better? They are contests, so nothing will ever be 100% equal unless it is a one-winner random draw.

But finally, get of your ass and start folding. Stop asking why and start wondering why not.

[XJnine]

Besides, it won't be long before XJnine is in 2nd place.

Hey! Competition is a good thing but I don't think I can do anything to hold you off... :-(

[Das Capitolin]

Hey! Competition is a good thing but I don't think I can do anything to hold you off... :-(

Well, even if I do manage to pass you up, you will always be the Godfather of Bjorn3D folding. 8-)

Also, I notice everyone got real quite when I mentioned that I think we should restrict previous contest winners (at any level) to compete in new contests.

[XJnine]

Also, I notice everyone got real quite when I mentioned that I think we should restrict previous contest winners (at any level) to compete in new contests.

I personally don't have a problem since I don't really compete in the contests. I can see Scott and the rest wanting to include past winners after a waiting period in order to keep the people that are here for the prizes coming back. Otherwise there would be even more people that just come here to win and then leave never to be seen again. In the past (and currently too) there have been a lot of people that come and compete like crazy, say they love it here and they will stay, only to win and never be heard from again.

[Das Capitolin]

I know this is heading off topic, but I think that you bring up a good point.

Previous winners should be ineligible for 1st place prize in future contests. That way they could compete and still win something, but not take the top prize again. Prizes are like candy to children, they will only follow the bribe for as long as it attacts them. Everything else depends on the person themselves.

[werty316]

Yep free stuff can bring people but not make them stay and there are only a few that stay.

Its been where previous winners can't win consecutive contests but that has changed since the BF2 contest. I think by not using this rule more people, even thought its really only three people, can be included since the number of people participating are so low at this point and thats the reason why more people need to join and be active and hopefully won't leave after they win or don't win. I have done my best by spreading the word of these monthly contests but people just don't want to participate which dumbs founds me really as its a chance at free stuff. I guess some people will only enter a contest which requires little to no effort.

[Das Capitolin]

I should be in 6th place by Wednesday next week. I don't think I will touch XJnine's score until October (January 2007 if the contest goes next month).

[Kougar]

Also, I notice everyone got real quite when I mentioned that I think we should restrict previous contest winners (at any level) to compete in new contests.

I never commented on this previously in your previous thread because I am sort of straddling the fence. Yes, I think it is more fair this way, to have some type of temporary restriction for past winners... But for example if I did end up winning, say a mouse pad or game, then I sure wouldn't like not having another chance to win a graphics card next month. Since I currently don't have a solution to offer up, I didn't see much reason to post that. :)

Now, I like the community and intend to stick around, but I can see how people attracted by the hopes of winning something would be disappointed by the fact that it isn't a level playing field. Not everybody has access to clusters of computers for the purpose of borging. Not everybody has extreme amounts of time, let alone things worth posting.

That just said... no contest is fair to everyone. Griping that some contest isn't fair serves no purpose if a solution to help fix the assumed "problem" isn't offered up. I'm lucky I'm able to have the free time to post 600+ posts a month, I know many others are not able to do this. I didn't have BF2 and wasn't willing to buy it for $40 to play in last months contest, but that was my choice. What I am saying is every contest will play to some users strong suits, and others will likewise be put at a disadvantage. Unless someone can invent a perfectly fair contest, (Or the people that devote their own time and resources to hosting these contests decide to simply draw names out of a hat for a "contest"), then I think it is best to just be patient. If some contest doesn't favor you, simply wait a few months and more than likely one will come along that does. :paw:

[vfrex]

Sadly, most of this is true, and I have been saying this same thing all along. I even started a thread over here (http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8787) that asks the members for their input in creating a totally level contest, but all I got was grief and very few ideas.

While I am not far off from XJnine in the F@H motivation, I joined the team because of the cause, but also because I like this forum and its members. Could I go fold for someone else? Sure I could, and I could also start my own team. But why would I? Why not fold for Bjorn3d? Besides, it won't be long before XJnine is in 2nd place.

As for these contests; the gread is clearly evident. I have, and will continue to encourage the rule that restricts previous contest winners (at any level) to compete in new contests. I have already won one contest by being better then others at BF2. Was that fair that I was better? They are contests, so nothing will ever be 100% equal unless it is a one-winner random draw.

But finally, get of your ass and start folding. Stop asking why and start wondering why not.

Das, if you recall, I was participating with you in that thread. I think some good suggestions came up, if I may say so myself ;)

I am not completely against random drawings from participants. For instance, in the july post like a madman, I have 166 posts. That is just under 8 posts per day. There are people who post more news articles daily than that. I'm not even close to being in contention for a prize, but at the same time, I don't think that 166 posts in a month should be overlooked.

Would a better solution to be to combine a random drawing with the contests as they are? In post like a madman, set a floor on the amount of posts that you find reasonable; let's say 100. Everybody who posts over 100 times in the month is entered into the random drawing. Previous top-prize winners are excluded from winning a top-prize.

You could do the same for the folding. Set a reasonable minimum number of points, based on how many points per day an average computer would get. You could make it a bit more competetive by making the minimum around what 2-3 average computers could do in a day (I think 2-3-4 is reasonable. People can borg the computers of close friends for a month). The people who fold for the sake of folding will continue. People who begin folding for the sake of winning the prize will overextend their normal means for a month.

[Das Capitolin]

Das, if you recall, I was participating with you in that thread. I think some good suggestions came up, if I may say so myself ;)

I am not completely against random drawings from participants. For instance, in the july post like a madman, I have 166 posts. That is just under 8 posts per day. There are people who post more news articles daily than that. I'm not even close to being in contention for a prize, but at the same time, I don't think that 166 posts in a month should be overlooked.

Would a better solution to be to combine a random drawing with the contests as they are? In post like a madman, set a floor on the amount of posts that you find reasonable; let's say 100. Everybody who posts over 100 times in the month is entered into the random drawing. Previous top-prize winners are excluded from winning a top-prize.

You could do the same for the folding. Set a reasonable minimum number of points, based on how many points per day an average computer would get. You could make it a bit more competetive by making the minimum around what 2-3 average computers could do in a day (I think 2-3-4 is reasonable. People can borg the computers of close friends for a month). The people who fold for the sake of folding will continue. People who begin folding for the sake of winning the prize will overextend their normal means for a month.

vfrex, you were one of the very few people who took that thread to heart and made some real suggestions. I think we came up with a whole lot of good points in that discussion; and hopefully the Bjorn3D staff will one day give some of our ideas a try.

I also like parts of your idea. For example, I might suggest these changes to a contest such as the one this month:
-For every 100 posts, you receive one entry into the random drawing.
-Previous winners are not eligiable to win the same prize twice.

[GIBSON]

-For every 100 posts, you receive one entry into the random drawing.
-Previous winners are not eligiable to win the same prize twice.
Yes, I do like that idea as well. It would also help people participate in next month's contest (if that will indeed be folding), as some people with rather old rigs think they don't have a chance. However if they see they can be in the hat by getting involved (not by scoring the most points of a whole group) that might help.

[SwedBear]

This is going a bit off topic but me and Scott ARE constantly discussing on how to make the competitions the best possible.


We've had it that previous winners cannot enter next month but with the varied types of prizes this also can be felt to be unfair.
I'm not a fan of pure post-competitions and me and Scott have been talking about using Folding@Home as part of the competition. The idea is to see if we can create a competition where we take in consideration more than one factor. So a person who cannot fold as much as Das Capitolin still can feel he/she has a chance because they might have a better chance in posting more threads or doing something else that we inlude in the competition.The idea with getting "lottery-tickets" and then being entered into a random drawing is quite appelaing to me. That works with all sorts of criteria. So it's a good suggestion.

/B

[Scott]

So I could actually do this for next months contest.

1. Must post at least 50 post.

2. Must join Bjorn3D Folding Team and be actively doing WU's

We will then do drawings out of the hat for how many prizes we have. The drawings will take place over a 24 hour period at the end of the month. We will print out all particepents names and put them in a jar. 1st drawing will be 1st place, 2nd drawing will be second place and so on depending on the amount of prizes I have.

Does everyone like that idea?

[GIBSON]

So I could actually do this for next months contest.

1. Must post at least 50 post.

2. Must join Bjorn3D Folding Team and be actively doing WU's

We will then do drawings out of the hat for how many prizes we have. The drawings will take place over a 24 hour period at the end of the month. We will print out all particepents names and put them in a jar. 1st drawing will be 1st place, 2nd drawing will be second place and so on depending on the amount of prizes I have.

Does everyone like that idea?
I like it a lot! ;-) Lets hope the others do too!

[Das Capitolin]

So I could actually do this for next months contest.

1. Must post at least 50 post.

2. Must join Bjorn3D Folding Team and be actively doing WU's

We will then do drawings out of the hat for how many prizes we have. The drawings will take place over a 24 hour period at the end of the month. We will print out all particepents names and put them in a jar. 1st drawing will be 1st place, 2nd drawing will be second place and so on depending on the amount of prizes I have.

Does everyone like that idea?

Please consider this idea as well:
-For every 100 posts, you receive one entry into the random drawing.
-For every 10 WU you receive one entry into the random drawing.
-Previous winners are not eligiable to win the same prize twice.

Anyone can set up F@H for just a few days and post for that same amount of time just to get in, based on the rules you suggested.

In the end, it is your contest to control.
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[werty316]

Sounds good to me also.

[Bio-Hazard]

I'm for the original idea from Scott, it doesn't give a unfair advantage to folding farms and the like, which would give those folks a ton of extra entries making it pretty one sided.

[Das Capitolin]

I'm for the original idea from Scott, it doesn't give a unfair advantage to folding farms and the like, which would give those folks a ton of extra entries making it pretty one sided.

I am for that as well. But someone needed something to post about and still thinks that I have and "unfair" advantage.

[Bio-Hazard]

18 cores folding is a bit one sided IMHO when it comes to a contest where the vast amount of members are running 1 or 2............;)

I stand corrected, I see that you're running 38 these days...............:mrgreen:

[Das Capitolin]

18 cores folding is a bit one sided IMHO when it comes to a contest where the vast amount of members are running 1 or 2............;)

I stand corrected, I see that you're running 38 these days...............:mrgreen:


I know you don't intend for that to be a personal attack, but it seems that of late I am singled out because I took it upon myself to start folding back on the 7th. Now, because I gave it my all, I am being picked out as someone who has an unfair advantage.

On top of this, I have strongly encouraged others to fold for the team. I have created a FAQ (which apparently doesn't deserve to be stickied), and have put more time into growing the team then anyone else. What do I get for my efforts? Complaints, mostly from one person, but several have chimed in.

I recall Kougar pointing out that I produce more points in one day then most everyone else that folds, and I took that as a compliment. I thought my efforts would be appreciated by the others here, but it has been very opposite. At first I got the "good job" only to have the same people complain that I have an advantage over others once a contest was announced.

So why would these complaints have any impact on me? Well, they were loud enough to get Scott to change the rules of his proposed contest, and they were changed because of me and only me, so that I would have no advantage. I offered so many alternatives that would prevent me from being a threat, such as not allowing the competitor to win the same prize twice, but it seems that being a champion for the team is something that should be punished and not honored.

So how am I supposed to react to this? I plan on folding until the project ends, so it's not going to drive me away from participating. Who I fold for was never a question, but it is now a thought that is brewing.

[Kougar]

Das Capitolin, I think you may be reading a little to much into all of that. While yes one or two people may have commented much towards that effect, most have only said it such comments out friendly jest and in my own respectful opinion, I think you are reading way to much into them.

I haven't seen Scott change the rules of his contest, infact he has been quite resolute on the matter of simply having a basic 1 entry per person that meets the criteria style drawing.

There are always two sides to anything, and I can see some valid reasons for why he would prefer this. I can also see some valid reasons for your own suggestions. However he is the mastermind behind XFX being gracious enough to supply him with expensive loot for every monthly contest, so what he says oughta go and I'll respect that. But again, I haven't seen anything anywhere that Scott has changed his proposed ideas for next months contests to put you or any other individual at a disadvantage or advantage.

The one entry per qualifying participant rule is more than likely to be the most truly balanced option I've seen, even if I would myseld personally be more keen on multiple entries based on some kind of post/completed WU system like you have been suggesting. Either way it is his contest, and I'm happy enough to be getting a pretty decent shot at winning some pretty big prizes. :) Everyone gets that same equal shot.

[GIBSON]

I know you don't intend for that to be a personal attack, but it seems that of late I am singled out because I took it upon myself to start folding back on the 7th. Now, because I gave it my all, I am being picked out as someone who has an unfair advantage.

On top of this, I have strongly encouraged others to fold for the team. I have created a FAQ (which apparently doesn't deserve to be stickied), and have put more time into growing the team then anyone else. What do I get for my efforts? Complaints, mostly from one person, but several have chimed in.

I recall Kougar pointing out that I produce more points in one day then most everyone else that folds, and I took that as a compliment. I thought my efforts would be appreciated by the others here, but it has been very opposite. At first I got the "good job" only to have the same people complain that I have an advantage over others once a contest was announced.

So why would these complaints have any impact on me? Well, they were loud enough to get Scott to change the rules of his proposed contest, and they were changed because of me and only me, so that I would have no advantage. I offered so many alternatives that would prevent me from being a threat, such as not allowing the competitor to win the same prize twice, but it seems that being a champion for the team is something that should be punished and not honored.

So how am I supposed to react to this? I plan on folding until the project ends, so it's not going to drive me away from participating. Who I fold for was never a question, but it is now a thought that is brewing.
I can understand what your feeling Das, you indeed don't seem to get the credit you deserve. It's great your doing that much folding work as it is for a good cause and it's helping the bjorn3d team out as well! I would be OK if you won a prize for all the work that went into setting these clients up at friends,... places. If they'd really want to others can set up as much clients too, its just a lot of hasle and I think it's great you did all that for the cause.

[Das Capitolin]

I can understand what your feeling Das, you indeed don't seem to get the credit you deserve. It's great your doing that much folding work as it is for a good cause and it's helping the bjorn3d team out as well! I would be OK if you won a prize for all the work that went into setting these clients up at friends,... places. If they'd really want to others can set up as much clients too, its just a lot of hasle and I think it's great you did all that for the cause.

I am going to continue to fold, contests or not, since I started folding for the research and later learned their might be a contest involving it. Had I really been focused on a contest alone, I would not have shown my hand so early, but instead just keep the clients turned off until next month. nobody would have known, and I would have won. Again, it is for the research and not the contest, so I let them go and kept installing. Complain about that, people.

But this does not take away from the fact that my efforts to resurrect the Bjorn3D folding team from the dead have gone almost completely unnoticed. Overall, I am just disappointed that a few people would turn something I did into something they can hold against me. For that reason, I am discouraged to push others onto the team anymore.

Kougar, the rules of next months contest did change. It went from whoever completes the most WU to whomever can make 50 posts and fold for the team. So while I can try as hard as I want not to look into it, I have already read the posts, and seen how the new rule was changed directly because of me and the fact that I have shown I can put out more WU's then the others.

Funny that the prick who started this movement against me doesn't mind the consequences.

[Kougar]

I am going to continue to fold, contests or not, since I started folding for the research and later learned their might be a contest involving it. Had I really been focused on a contest alone, I would not have shown my hand so early, but instead just keep the clients turned off until next month. nobody would have known, and I would have won. Again, it is for the research and not the contest, so I let them go and kept installing. Complain about that, people.

You have a valid point there.

But this does not take away from the fact that my efforts to resurrect the Bjorn3D folding team from the dead have gone almost completely unnoticed. Overall, I am just disappointed that a few people would turn something I did into something they can hold against me. For that reason, I am discouraged to push others onto the team anymore.

In all honestly, I still think you are taking some of the comments made too personally, but I can only state my opinion towards that effect.

Kougar, the rules of next months contest did change. It went from whoever completes the most WU to whomever can make 50 posts and fold for the team. So while I can try as hard as I want not to look into it, I have already read the posts, and seen how the new rule was changed directly because of me and the fact that I have shown I can put out more WU's then the others.

I stand corrected. I'd completely forgotten the earlier thread, however for the record it should be pointed out it was only a preliminary post to work out the idea, not a confirmed gameplan. Until they are officially stated, the contest rules are always in flux and should be taken with that assumption in mind. I will freely admit that you have made yourself a prime case in point for why it was NOT that great an idea to do a most WUs wins contest. Even though you didn't have to tip your hand in the matter, he did state that it was acceptable, infact even part of the contest, for everyone to go out, call on some contacts, and otherwise use school or work computers for massive folding@home crunching. I think Scott has the right to change his ideas, especially considering it was just a preliminary idea and not the official contest rules.

[GIBSON]

I'd say your work has really been helping out the bjorn3d folding team Das! It's just that some people aren't yet showing up in the team I think (I am that's for sure) because they haven't completed the first WU yet (as my comp isn't running 24/7 it might take a while for a wu). IMHO you do have resurected the folding team Das!

[Das Capitolin]

I'd say your work has really been helping out the bjorn3d folding team Das! It's just that some people aren't yet showing up in the team I think (I am that's for sure) because they haven't completed the first WU yet (as my comp isn't running 24/7 it might take a while for a wu). IMHO you do have resurected the folding team Das!

Thank you both Gibson and Kougar! For the time being I don't plan to make any changes to my routine and team association. After looking at the F@H stats I see that we have 28 members now, up from 19 when I joined.

[tomato]

You have a valid point there.



In all honestly, I still think you are taking some of the comments made too personally, but I can only state my opinion towards that effect.



I stand corrected. I'd completely forgotten the earlier thread, however for the record it should be pointed out it was only a preliminary post to work out the idea, not a confirmed gameplan. Until they are officially stated, the contest rules are always in flux and should be taken with that assumption in mind. I will freely admit that you have made yourself a prime case in point for why it was NOT that great an idea to do a most WUs wins contest. Even though you didn't have to tip your hand in the matter, he did state that it was acceptable, infact even part of the contest, for everyone to go out, call on some contacts, and otherwise use school or work computers for massive folding@home crunching. I think Scott has the right to change his ideas, especially considering it was just a preliminary idea and not the official contest rules.

Agreed on every point, Kougar. The contest hasn't even started yet, no rules were set/made.

However, it is great to see Das jump right in and give Scott and run for his money ;)

[Das Capitolin]

Agreed on every point, Kougar. The contest hasn't even started yet, no rules were set/made.

However, it is great to see Das jump right in and give Scott and run for his money ;)

I wasn't upset about the changes, I was upset by who did started the issue and why.

As for passing Scott on the scoreboard, I can see that he will get passed again by some of the new folders because he is not very active. I am now aiming for the top, where I will remain immortal! :twisted:

[tomato]

"There can be only one!" :P
(geek movie quote of the day) ;)

[Das Capitolin]

"There can be only one!" :P
(geek movie quote of the day) ;)

Ok, I have been thinking about this, and I cannot recall which movie this was from. Hints? Come on, I don't want to Google it.

But you are correct. XJnine had enjoyed his time at the top, and he has been given notice. Das Capitolin will be the king of this castle, and the Bjorn3D folding champ!!! FOREVER!!! :twisted:

[SwedBear]

Highlander?

/B

[tomato]

Yep. Highlander it is :) (the original, let's forget that any sequels every happened)

[werty316]

Yeah classic movie Highlander.

[Das Capitolin]

Yeah classic movie Highlander.

I have never seen any of these movies. Are they worth getting? Are they sci-fi or drama?

[XJnine]

I'll do what I can to hold on but my massive lead won't hold up to your superior firepower for long. :-( Good job Das!

I need to make more friends that have computers... ;-)

[werty316]

I would say the first one is worth watching. As for what type of movie it is I would say its an action/fantasy movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091203/

[Das Capitolin]

I'll do what I can to hold on but my massive lead won't hold up to your superior firepower for long. :-( Good job Das!

I need to make more friends that have computers... ;-)

You will be the king for at least a few more months. That is quite the lead you have on me, and perhaps August will stall my activity, but I will rue the day (or you will, not sure how that goes).

And as for Highlander, circa 1986: added to Netflix queue. 8-)

[GIBSON]

I would say the first one is worth watching. As for what type of movie it is I would say its an action/fantasy movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091203/
LOL, I wasn't even born when that one came out :mrgreen:

[Das Capitolin]

Yay! I am in 6th place on the team now. I should hover here for just a few days before passing jesus_christy for 5th in a few more days.

On a related note, zachig is buring a fast trail and is already in 15th place out of 29... and he just started! 8)

[GIBSON]

Whahahahah, I already surpassed Scott! How comes he has two accounts? :mrgreen:

[Das Capitolin]

Whahahahah, I already surpassed Scott! How comes he has two accounts? :mrgreen:

I wondered that exact same thing. It was my understanding that their couldn't be two of the same users on a team, since user names are case sensitive.

[Das Capitolin]

Way to go XJnine! Cracked 200k+!!! Now just sit back and relax. You might hit 250k before I get to pass you.

[Kougar]

I saw that myself and wondered... however if you look that other "Scott" completed only two WUs, and the last date of completion was back in 2005.

According to Extremetech stats there are currently 34 Scotts that are folding and have submitted WUs within the last month or so... ;)

[Das Capitolin]

Is there a place that ranks people based on their 24-hour output? I would like to know where I stand.

[liqnit]

why is my stats not showing on the team stats ?
http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=liqnit&teamnum=41608

if i check the folding page i get my stats but on
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=41608

i am not showing....

[Kougar]

ExtremeOverclocking will break down the info into all sorts of time frames, from monthly to weekly to daily. Just look over the tables at the bottom of http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=189139 (http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=189139)

Liqnit, if I am reading that timestamp correctly you just haven't waited long enough. ExtremeOverclocking only conducts a stats refresh every 4 hours, which then takes ~10 or so minutes to complete. In the top left corner they show when the next update will begin, which is in 5 minutes. :mrgreen:

[werty316]

why is my stats not showing on the team stats ?
http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=liqnit&teamnum=41608

if i check the folding page i get my stats but on
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=41608

i am not showing....

The EOC Folding stats are updated every 3 hours so you'll show up eventually.
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/?nav=FAQ

[liqnit]

thanks
i am impatient as it looks

[werty316]

I was wondering that too when I started to Fold; when I completed one work load my stats showed up on stanford stats but didn't show up on extremeoverclocking.com stats.

[Das Capitolin]

I realize it will show you graphs of your progress, and chart where you will be based on current output. But I want to know how my performance compares to everyone else. Any ideas?

[werty316]

Points in a 24hr period is one way or you could just compare everyone's weekly or monthly production to your own.

I think looking at the numbers produced here says it all: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=41608

[Das Capitolin]

Points in a 24hr period is one way or you could just compare everyone's weekly or monthly production to your own.

I think looking at the numbers produced here says it all: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=41608

All you just did was repeat what we have already been saying.

I am looking to compare my daily stats to the entire folding universe. I wan't to know how I rank globally in my daily output compared to all the other folders, not just our team.

[werty316]

Just organize the list by either catagory. For instance this shows how you compare to others when sort by 24hr production: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/individual_list.php?s=&srt=1&p=2

[Das Capitolin]

Just organize the list by either catagory. For instance this shows how you compare to others when sort by 24hr production: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/individual_list.php?s=&srt=1&p=2

AHA!!! Now we are getting somewhere. Thank you Werty!

[interpim]

I just started this F@H thing... I currently have to use a laptop on public networks, and have to take it with me (ie... off) when I leave... will this keep me from contributing? or will the 3-6 hours a day im on the internet help?

[ToXic_WaSTe]

I just started this F@H thing... I currently have to use a laptop on public networks, and have to take it with me (ie... off) when I leave... will this keep me from contributing? or will the 3-6 hours a day im on the internet help?

They'll help, but not enough to win they contest if that is what you are after :)
I also have problems running my computer at all times, but its for a good cause and I doubt everyone have a chance to run 24/7 so you might win something afterall :) good luck

[Scott]

Hold it, all you have to do is actively Fold and post in the forums. As long as he is putting up work units and makes his 50 post his name gets tossed in the hat.

Now if he does not make it over 100 work units in the month he will not get a second lottery ticket. He could still win!!

[ToXic_WaSTe]

Didnt know it was a draw out of the hat contest, ill have to read the contest thread again. Just skimmed it cause im at work, (last day before i go on vacation ;-) again) .........

Just read it and i can see where i made the mistake... its where its says the bonus points give a extra ticket in the hat. :P

Very nice contest, now everyone has a chane to win.

[Das Capitolin]

Yay! I am in the top 150 highest producers in the world! (Out of 180,000 folders)

Perhaps it's time to push this effort to the max?

[tomato]

Go for it Das! You can break the top 100, probably even the top 50 if you wanted, with that massive computer farm ;)

[Scott]

You see the #1 team is HardOPC. I want that to be Bjorn3D by the end of the year!!

You have your orders men now FOLD!!

[XJnine]

Unfortunately I'm going to have to shut some of my computers down again. I just got my electric bill today. :-( Summer time is upon me here in Florida and with the A/C running almost constantly and all of my computers running 24/7 I managed to use up 4900kwh and ring up a $500 electric bill. :-(

I thought I could escape the electric company wrath but I knew my wife would be on me when she saw the bill.... I'll be back to folding full strength when the temps drop.

Sorry team.....

[Bio-Hazard]

That's one high electric bill............that's a house payment for me.

[darkorb]

so i just dl the program, and run it? do i have to do anything else? sry im still unsure about thei F@H

[XJnine]

that's a house payment for me

I wish I could say the same. It's a week of daycare payments for me... :-(

[Scott]

$379.00 last month for me. It is still alot cheaper than electricity in the North East. I used 4400KWh for the 379.00 bill that much in Jesery would of been around 650.00

[werty316]

$500 electric bill!!!! Ands with with 8-10 Folding processes running; ouch.

[Scott]

You have to remember that he and I are in the deep south. You know Dixie!! It is hot down in these parts of the woods in the summer time.

[XJnine]

I've got 10 PC's running at home and 2 of them are dual PIII's so that means I've got a total of 12 cpu's heating up my place.

[werty316]

Right, never thought about those who live in hot weather that requires air conditioning. Its been hot and cool up here in the north over the summer time but more hot than cool.

[Bio-Hazard]

I pay a little over a $100 a month for electric and that with temps at or over 100F everyday, but there's just the wife and I at home and we pretty much live in the basement during the day so we don't have to turn the AC near as low if we were upstairs all the time. We keep the house around 76F all the time but the AC runs pretty much non-stop in the afternoons. Today it's a bit cooler as well, only 100F right now with 32% humidity.

[Scott]

Well you have to remember the size of the Sherman Manor. I keep it at 76F upstairs and downstairs. That and the kids can't turn off a light, tv or computer even if a rat was going to crawl up their ass if they didn't. So in 11 years when they are gone my bills should get cheaper.

And if the Pharmacy pay keeps increasing like it is and we don't move we should be set. Wife's pay has doubled in the 8 years we have been married. :mrgreen:

[XJnine]

I know what you mean Scott. My 3 kids manage to turn on everything in the house and leave it on until I follow behind them and turn it off. I also have 3200 square feet to cool off, not an inexpensive thing to do. :-(

I need to figure out a way to get my wife to increase her pay like your wife has.... I guess that's why she's going to school.

[Bio-Hazard]

I know what you mean Scott. My 3 kids manage to turn on everything in the house and leave it on until I follow behind them and turn it off. I also have 3200 square feet to cool off, not an inexpensive thing to do. :-(

I need to figure out a way to get my wife to increase her pay like your wife has.... I guess that's why she's going to school.
I guess if you're going to live big, you've got to pay the big bills ...........:confused: . Living off of what the wife and I do, you have to save everywhere you can, I bet my house is smaller than Scotts garage and a little over a 1/3 the size of your house XJnine...................:mrgreen:

[Das Capitolin]

so i just dl the program, and run it? do i have to do anything else? sry im still unsure about thei F@H

Take a look at the start-up FAQ here: http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=39934#post39934

[interpim]

ok... so when i hover my mouse over the F@H icon, I see 109/500... what does that mean? And when i check my statistics nothing is showing up for my name.

[Bio-Hazard]

That means that you'vre completed 109 frames out of 500 for that work unit. You won't see your name up in lites untill you've completed at least one work unit.

[Bio-Hazard]

Repeat, repeat............:mrgreen:

[Das Capitolin]

ok... so when i hover my mouse over the F@H icon, I see 109/500... what does that mean? And when i check my statistics nothing is showing up for my name.

You are 109 of 500 steps towards completion. Once you complete this work unit, your score will be uploaded (an it should be a nice score for that size). 8-)

OK, it's been repeated.

[werty316]

I think this question has been answer to death.

[Enigmachine]

Boom! I'm on the list! :D

Next stop, overtaking sbrehm :) No way I can do 100 WUs this month though! I'm hoping for 30 at best... No matter, at least I'm giving it a good shot. :) I'm not giving it my best though, I have a 100 Mhz machine sitting around doing nothing... :mrgreen:

[Assassin]

Well I'm folding now working on the first work unit :mrgreen: I'll be on the list soon enough.

[tomato]

I'm on the list! ;) :)

[werty316]

Great to see everyone is Folding and lets hope it stays that way after the contest is over.

[Assassin]

Hehe why would anyone stop folding, it betters mankind and it doesn't harm your computer in anyway :)

[werty316]

Because you are Folding for a contest and people enter to enter. Having my rig Folding 24/7 isn't a problem as it runs cool either way.

[Bio-Hazard]

Sad fact is that alot of people will stop or switch teams for the next folding contest, they always do, some with all their rigs others with only a portion of them.
I know I have at one time or another, for one reason or another.

[Scott]

Well I am thinking having folding be part of all future contest!!

[Assassin]

sounds like a great idea scott. I saw this folding thing about a year back... wasn't really sure what it was. Now I know :)

[GIBSON]

Well I am thinking having folding be part of all future contest!!
It would give the bjorn3d team a stable blood supply instead of short adrenaline punches like with this contest.

[Enigmachine]

It's tough being dyslexic, I thought the software involved fondling at home!
Oh well. :)

I will keep folding after the contest, but shut down a couple of instances... One of my cpus is at 74 c... ick! But... All the way up to #25 in a day. :) It makes the sauna temperatures in here feel worth it. :)

[interpim]

so you can download different size units? that hardly seems fair i guess... So mine goes to 500 and someone else can have one that only goes to 100?

[Bio-Hazard]

On one of my rigs I've got one that's a 20,000, I haven't gotten around to seeing how many points it's worth yet, really doesn't matter though, it all comes out in the wash.................;)

[werty316]

74c is dangerous so I would ease off on that computer.

Yes each WU is a different size. Does it really matter if the size of each project is different?

Here are stats and point value for each project.
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/psummaryC.html

[Kougar]

You might want to open up that rig armed with a can of air to clean that CPU cooler, Enigmachine. That temp's hot enough for most CPUs to start throttling themselves back.

so you can download different size units? that hardly seems fair i guess... So mine goes to 500 and someone else can have one that only goes to 100?

You can't just pick and choose the units you want to fold. The points system is based upon the time it takes to complete the WU, usually the faster WUs will be worth much less than the larger ones. And technically, all WUs "go to 100", whatever the starting size.

[interpim]

ok... cool... according to that link, the WU im working on is worth 144 points
Soon i'll be posting my first WU :) 424/500 atm :)

[werty316]

Looks like he is using the GUI version as the console version shows bigger "steps".

[Bio-Hazard]

The one big one I'm working on should give me a pretty fair jump in the standing when it's done............;)

396 points.

[Enigmachine]

The machine is pretty dust-free because I opened it up recently to put a cooler master iGreen in it. Cut the noise by half, but there's a bit less air circulation now since the iGreen only has 1 fan.

But I bought the last Zalman heat sink available from ADPmods's store closure, I should get it next week, it will cut down the noise even more and cool better. In the meantime I guess I'll have to throttle down the folding... Sigh... There goes my hope of passing sbrehm. :( :D

[Bio-Hazard]

I would hope that you pass me with you running 5 CPU's, if you didn't, there would have to be something very very wrong..............;)

[Enigmachine]

And I have! :) But the heat still isn't under control so I'll throttle everything down anyway. On the plus side, apparently the heat wave is over, we can finally breathe! :)