X1650 pro

[PP Mguire]

It has GDDR4 and should be released for AGP as well as PCI-E. Not to mention a copy off the IceQ technology for a cooler.

Discuss8-)

[Vaerilis]

It's not really an improvement over the prveious X1600 cards performance-wise, but it's at least an X1600XT for 2/3 the price. Not bad at all.
The X1650pro's competitors (in the 100$ arena) will be the 7300GT and the 7600GS, both possessing a worse price/performance ratio.
In my opinion, the 7600GTs will need a little price cut to remain competitive.

[Rafal]

GDDR4? uh uh ... GDDR3 128-bit yes, X1650 PRO looks like X1600 though that depends on the vendor of course, but no IceQ reference cooler.

[PP Mguire]

Um look at the review on this very site (home page). The X1650pro will sport GDDR4 and a cooler that resembles the IceQ cooler. (Unless im mistaking and the cooler is only for the X1950XTX??)

I think it will be a very good improvement. I will for sure buy one if its released on AGP like its counterparts. 256bit GDDR4 and the support for HDR and SM3.0 will be a big improvement over my gfs 9800XT (which i believe smokes the X1600pro). Only one way to find out. Vigorusly test it and if it fails im buying a 7800GS for her, sending the ATI back and caling it a day. Now when are these supposed to be released you say?

[Kougar]

The new red plastic cooler is only for the X1950XTX, not even the new x1900 256mb will get it. ;)

ATI is using the lowest end GDDR4 memory that Samsung produces, that also besides only being 1ghz has a slower NS access time than the higher quality GDDR4 Samsung is producing.

That, along with the tidbit that the"x1650 Pro" only has a 10mhz core speed increase over the original x1600 Pro means performance will be pretty much the same, although you might get a few nickels in power savings after alot of 24/7 hour use... ;)

[DragonMaster]

That, along with the tidbit that the"x1650 Pro" only has a 10mhz core speed increase over the original x1600 Pro means performance will be pretty much the same, although you might get a few nickels in power savings after alot of 24/7 hour use...

And the RAM runs at about 20MHz more.

"Recycling Old Cards With New Names" at 3GM's home page brings here :
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/blog/48

They say here that RAM is still 128-bit and that only the 1950 will have the new GDDR4.

[werty316]

Basically GDDR4 draws a bit less power and can achieve higher memory clock speeds than GDDR3 so its a good step.

The X1650XT is suppose to use GDDR4 and I guess we will have to wait for reviews to be sure but apparently alot of sources are saying the X1650Pro doesn't use GDDR4. I guess any kind of pressure on nVidia is good enough.

[PP Mguire]

SO yall are saying you dont even believe the very site your on? They are saying all the new X1*50 series are going to use the new GDDR4. The X1950XTX and Crossfire edition are using GDDR4, the X1650pro uses GDDR4, and the X1350 uses GDDR4. COnsidering that GDDR4 in itself can run a whole gigahz over GDDR3 because of the lower voltage im sure it would be alot better than the X1600pro with GDDR2. THe newer Visiontek X1600XT uses GDDR3 but it still isnt that great. Im thinking you will be able to OC the crap out of these newer cards in ram.

[DragonMaster]

They are saying all the new X1*50 series are going to use the new GDDR4. SO yall are saying you dont even believe the very site your on? They are saying all the new X1*50 series are going to use the new GDDR4.

I believe that this is the most accurate source actually :
http://www.ati.com/products/RadeonX1650/specs.html

I read the press releases on ATi's site and they never talked about RAM speed except for the X1950XTX. One press release is talking about the X1950XTX, and the other about the new X1900XT 256MB, X1650 Pro and X1300 XT being affordable and powerful.

[Vaerilis]

SO yall are saying you dont even believe the very site your on? They are saying all the new X1*50 series are going to use the new GDDR4. The X1950XTX and Crossfire edition are using GDDR4, the X1650pro uses GDDR4, and the X1350 uses GDDR4. COnsidering that GDDR4 in itself can run a whole gigahz over GDDR3 because of the lower voltage im sure it would be alot better than the X1600pro with GDDR2. THe newer Visiontek X1600XT uses GDDR3 but it still isnt that great. Im thinking you will be able to OC the crap out of these newer cards in ram.

According to an actual review of a card, the X1650pro uses GDDR3: http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?type=3&id=99&page=1&desc=__oc3d_exclusive___powercolor_x1650_pro_revie w

[DragonMaster]

ATi itself is telling this too.

[Rafal]

It depends on the vendor. If they decide to use GDDR2 they will use GDDR2, if they want to use GDDR3 they will use that -- 128-bit. No GDDR4 on X1650 to my knowledge. I'm currently reviewing one from PowerColor and it's based on GDDR3. ATI is recycling older chips and slapping new names to them with slight changes such as die size, clocks. So.....

Old X1600 XT -> X1650 PRO now
Old X1600 PRO -> X1300 XT now

Nothing special here AT ALL

[PP Mguire]

Bah thats dumb. Ill just get a 7800GS instead then.

[SwedBear]

Yeah this is odd (need to change that in our article). The impression they gave on the tech-day was that GDR4 wasn't just for the 1950XTX but apparently they just were vague enough so it was the way it could be interpreted. Gonna check with ATI to get some clarifications.

It might just be that the GDDR4 support now is there but no-one will use GDDR4 since they don't feel it will give enough gains for the price.

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[PP Mguire]

Yea i had the impression from this sites review that GDDR4 was going to be on all the X1*50 cards. Since ATI's site clearly shows GDDR2/GDDR3 then i wont be purchasing one of these re-named cards.

[Kougar]

Yeah, I think ATI has mostly to blame for the false impressions... they have basically raised the core clock by 10mhz on the x1600 just to create an entirely new range of carts. :roll:

I'd be willing to bet that GDDR4 will show up on some mid-range HTPC oriented cards though, the power/heat savings is there and not insignificant at least.

[DragonMaster]

Parts & power consumption went down tho. (But since they use GDDR3 instead of GDDR2, the card probably requires more power anyways)

[PP Mguire]

Some ppl need to get their story straight.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/pp_mguire/GDDR4.jpg

[werty316]

Some ppl need to get their story straight.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/pp_mguire/GDDR4.jpg
I guess you haven't been reading around in here and on the net as the X1650 series does not use GDDR4.

Just look here:
http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overview.php?gpid=162
http://www.ati.com/products/RadeonX1650/specs.html

[PP Mguire]

Thats exactly why i said somebody needs to get their story straight. I knew i wasnt crazy when i saw the review on this site say that the X1650 and the X1300XT will support GDDR4. And yes i have been reading around. I just did another check yesterday and saw that and figured id post it cause it still hasent been corrected.

[werty316]

Sounded like you meant it uses GDDR4 by the way you replied.

This review should satisfy everyone: http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=955

[PP Mguire]

Dude, that card is extremely small. I havent seen any on the market yet sadly.