Looking for a good AMD build.

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Originally Posted by PP Mguire

The need for more than 8GB of RAM isn't there. You're adding about 30 bucks to each for nothing honestly. Matter a fact, I was gaming perfectly fine on 4GB of RAM the other day just as a general test for another forum I'm on. He would be better off with 8GB 1600 rather than 16 of 1333.

Another thing, the i3 3220 is 4 dollars more than the SB i3 with more performance.

Either way, if he keeps his current DDR3 he could go this way. Albeit slightly over his budget but he gets a MUCH better GPU.

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116777

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157335

GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202011

All for 270. It's what I was talking about in my previous post.

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I know you're right about the RAM thing. I placed it there more as a future proof thing than anything on my two possible setups. 8GB of 1600Mhz RAM would be just as fine in a system today as would be 16GB 1333Mhz RAM but for a much cheaper price.

@ OP: HERE is a list of 8GB (2x 4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz kits available for less than half of the price of the 16GB kit I placed in my previous post. IMO, you can go with one of these kits and either the AMD or Intel setup I picked out and be under budget on both systems. You would still have to use your 6570 and upgrade that later though.

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Originally Posted by PP Mguire

The need for more than 8GB of RAM isn't there. You're adding about 30 bucks to each for nothing honestly. Matter a fact, I was gaming perfectly fine on 4GB of RAM the other day just as a general test for another forum I'm on. He would be better off with 8GB 1600 rather than 16 of 1333.

Another thing, the i3 3220 is 4 dollars more than the SB i3 with more performance.

Either way, if he keeps his current DDR3 he could go this way. Albeit slightly over his budget but he gets a MUCH better GPU.

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116777

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157335

GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202011

All for 270. It's what I was talking about in my previous post.

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More then likely im gonna check into this build here and im gonna try and see how much i can get for my current mobo and cpu and i should be able to add a few more dollar's to the 250 to cover the intel build you pointed out

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

I know you're right about the RAM thing. I placed it there more as a future proof thing than anything on my two possible setups. 8GB of 1600Mhz RAM would be just as fine in a system today as would be 16GB 1333Mhz RAM but for a much cheaper price.

@ OP: HERE is a list of 8GB (2x 4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz kits available for less than half of the price of the 16GB kit I placed in my previous post. IMO, you can go with one of these kits and either the AMD or Intel setup I picked out and be under budget on both systems. You would still have to use your 6570 and upgrade that later though.

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IMO the time the need for 16GB comes around DDR4 will be mainstream. Unless I'm purposely trying to hog RAM I can never use more than 8GB. If I did, Windows would be screaming at me saying I'm out of virtual memory lol. THis is purely on a gaming basis though. Even still, I do encoding, lots of compression, Photoshop/Premier ect.

This might change once the new consoles come out and we start getting new ports but I doubt it.

With the FM1 and 2 if using the integrated gpu or using dual graphics the more memory and the higher clock speed the better.

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Originally Posted by foxmobouser

With the FM1 and 2 if using the integrated gpu or using dual graphics the more memory and the higher clock speed the better.

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This is going to sound bad, but you can only make a turd run so fast.

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For clarity: I'm running one 8GB kit and one 4GB kit in dual channel on a P67 mainboard with a 2500K Sandy Bridge processor. That's how I got 12GB. I previously had a system with 4GB of RAM, and I can definitely tell the difference in multitasking without the aid of a stopwatch.

Loading levels once the game starts will also be positively affected, leading to a smoother-feeling game experience. The games themselves won't play differently but they will look differently with higher detail levels and less graphical anomalies like missing textures and such. This also makes for a better gaming experience. Any time a game has to pause/stop and load anything at all, more RAM makes it faster. These are not measurable with benchmarks and stopwatches -- they are subjective (but very real) differences.

If you get two kits of the same kind of RAM at the same time, you minimize (to as close to zero as you can get) the likelihood of incompatibilities and instabilities that can cause slowdowns. Of course, sometimes boards can't populate all four RAM slots unless you loosen the timings, but that tends to happen mainly to older boards.

I still recommend 12GB or 16GB.

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I still think it's quite subjective and depending on user how much memory they decide to go with.

Here's a couple links to threads/articles for further reading on the issue as many have already written books about it ;)

1. Is It Time To Add More RAM?

2. 8gb vs 16gb DDR3 on P67 I5 2500K

Just to add on a personal note I was running 16GB on my AM3+ build with a ramdisk and recently removed 8GB and have noticed a "subjective" drop in performance overall.

Yea I call BS. This was on a stock system with no pagefile.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...50580stock.jpg

If you have 16 dropping to 8 there wont be any amount of drop in performance unless you are running way too many things in the background. I have tested 32, to 16, to 8, to 4, and even 2GB in BF3 alone. 8 to 4 made a slight difference and the only "significant" drop was 2GB due to Windows being such a hog. Try to realize (this is for everyone) there is no game that will take more than 2.5GB of RAM without help. That being said, my highly modified copy of Skyrim maxed out with 8xAA and the works used a max of 2.2GB of RAM. That means for a difference from 8 to 16 you need to have upwards of 6GB of RAM being used by background tasks and that right there will bog a machine down. On a 2500k there is absolutely no difference in FPS when changing RAM.

When using 4GB of RAM as a system main for browsing the only time my machine got sluggish was when I had multiple tabs open in Chrome. Even though I wasn't using the full 4GB it was still getting sluggish due to the nature of the browser using a process per tab. I think if my CPU was OCed a bit it would alleviate this problem as before I got a 2500k last Feb I had no troubles using 4GB of RAM. Then again, I don't run 10 things in the background either. It's unnecessary.

Edit: Forgot to put even though mentioned, this was done with a stock i5 750, 8GB and 4GB of 1600MHz RAM, and a stock 580 using the 310.70 drivers in Windows 7. Map was Canals 64p in TDM. Lots of explosions and each test ran 5 minutes a piece.

It is as if no one is reading that he already has 8 GB of DDR3 :lol: I know its not common, but 775 boards had DDR3 too, so you can never assume.

As for PP's suggestion, that is what I would go for, best bang for the buck.

Also, I game on 4 GB atm because I'm undecided on if I want to pay more for triple channel RAM or not, and I have no issues.

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Originally Posted by Goliath182

It is as if no one is reading that he already has 8 GB of DDR3 :lol: I know its not common, but 775 boards had DDR3 too, so you can never assume.

As for PP's suggestion, that is what I would go for, best bang for the buck.

Also, I game on 4 GB atm because I'm undecided on if I want to pay more for triple channel RAM or not, and I have no issues.

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lol it took me a few days of looking to find that MoBo. But the only thing i didnt notice when i got that board is SSD's run in IDE mode and there is no way to change it.... I only came to find this out the other night when i tried to run a benchmark on my SSD and couldn't figure out why i was getting BS scores on it

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Originally Posted by Goliath182

It is as if no one is reading that he already has 8 GB of DDR3 :lol: I know its not common, but 775 boards had DDR3 too, so you can never assume.

As for PP's suggestion, that is what I would go for, best bang for the buck.

Also, I game on 4 GB atm because I'm undecided on if I want to pay more for triple channel RAM or not, and I have no issues.

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My recommendations came with the knowledge that he had 8GB of RAM. I try to get people to reuse parts if they can to save money. Only makes sense. For gaming GPU power is needed more than CPU so upgrading his GPU makes the most sense to me.