Oz A New Beginning.......

**Dragon** · 05-03-2010, 07:57 AM

use blue tape over the area that needs to be cut. also you may wanna consider getting a aftermarket cooler for your cards if you planning on running a folding client on them. If you going to put a side panal fan make sure it is a 120mm fan also i recommend at least a 70 CFM rating. placement you want to put it to where the fans on the video cards are and split the 120 so that both cards get that fresh air.

**Blacksmith1** · 05-03-2010, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by jedihobbit

Still wish I could figure out which 250 is GPU2 as that is the hot one in HWMon and Precision.

this is not a joke! I had the same problem in rivatuner (which precision is based on) so I put my finger on the fan of the lower card to see which one heated up. in rivatuner the bottom card is gpu1, the upper is gpu0. (that would be gpu2 and gpu1 if yours has no zero) this is with my monitor plugged into the upper card. don't know if that makes a difference. but it's an easy way to test which one is which in your system. since you are using a different program that I am I suggest you do this instead of assuming they will be the same.

So what do you think is more important incomeing or exhaust???? Suggestion???

intake seems to be the thing as far as getting air where you want it. I run with both sides off my case now and can feel warmer air coming out by the HDD rack. I am assuming it's from the gpus. and have a small, approx. 50 mm, fan hanging right next to my sli ribbon blowing air right at my gpu intake and a 120 sitting on the desk blowing air into that same area under and between the cards. dropped my temps at least 10 c that way. now if I just kill all the cats and children in the house it might stay cleaner...

was just looking at your airflow diagram. pretty much how my system is when closed except my gpu's exhaust into the case rather than out the back.

**jedihobbit** · 05-04-2010, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Dragon

......... placement you want to put it to where the fans on the video cards are and split the 120 so that both cards get that fresh air.

Will have to do another shot of the side panel in place as the one I marked up is of the original Skt A layout. What do you suggest I cut the plex with?? I do have a dermel but the disks seem to melt the plex not cut it.

@ Blacksmith1 (tried shortening it to BS1 but that didn't look nice!

) I may take more time on doing the touch method later this week. Can't relate to the "children" (unless the wofe counts) but do have two long hairs that drive me nuts!

BTW does anyone think the blow hole would be viable or should I concentrate on getting more air IN for now??

**Dragon** · 05-04-2010, 05:42 AM

use a drywall cutter bit it looks like a drill bit sorta. this one here

this is what i use for all my plexi needs here

but you may have to come to the realization you may need a newer chassis

**jedihobbit** · 05-04-2010, 06:04 AM

On getting a new chassis........won't happen as it is the wife's, she loves the air brushing, and the only way I may stay alive is to use it........or sal the innerds.

Had another thought (getting a headache), if I can increase the bottom clearence wonder if I could put a 120 in the bottom and use some sort of "deflector" to get air to the top card?

**Blacksmith1** · 05-04-2010, 04:24 PM

the blow hole will increase the over all heat removal by forcing the air path to exit the top. as for the bottom i was thinking the same thing about mine. and go ahead and shorten it. it's one of the things I always liked about the nick

when i was level editing a few years back all my maps were named BS1_ mapnamehere. I take no offense it has also been shortened to Black, Blacky, Bsmith, all kinds of stuff because of it's length.
just don't call me late for dinner....

I am thinking about getting a couple of THESE for my case since I want to put the blowhole option in mine. gotta figure out where to move the usb, fire wire, and "front side" audio since they all on top where I need the fan. and I need one to replace my TT exhaust fan on the back (never touch the orange TT fans when running, even by accident)

**Dragon** · 05-04-2010, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by jedihobbit

On getting a new chassis........won't happen as it is the wife's, she loves the air brushing, and the only way I may stay alive is to use it........or sal the innerds.

Had another thought (getting a headache), if I can increase the bottom clearence wonder if I could put a 120 in the bottom and use some sort of "deflector" to get air to the top card?

you can only go so far on an old chassis. the older xp chassis barely cuts it for these newer high performance components. its like I tell my pops, it comes down to two choices. choice #1 use a comonent and have all kinds of minor problems (that normally turn into major ones) or choice #2, suck it up and sacrafice beauty for all out user ability. .

in your case, it is all bout cooling. do you sacrifice cooling so you have a chassis that looks cool, but has the cooling capacity of a brick oven, and take a chance on frying components that clearly cost more then the chassis. or do you get a bit more updated chassis that cools well?

you are only as good as your best component. also point in fact whats the point of keeping your chassis if you keep the side panal off all the time to keep it cool. which is your reason for keepin the chassis.

**jedihobbit** · 05-04-2010, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dragon

..........also point in fact whats the point of keeping your chassis if you keep the side panal off all the time to keep it cool. which is your reason for keepin the chassis.

PLEASE don't make the wife right!!

Okay you've given me a wake up call, but..............do you think combining a bottom fan(s) with a blow hole might be an option?

**Blacksmith1** · 05-04-2010, 08:51 PM

if you drop your cd/dvd drives down one you can fit 2 120's up there combined with a set of legs and 3 on the bottom you will have a case forced into submission

. I added to your diagram.

you WILL need to figure out some way to filter the bottom fans if you keep it on the floor.

**jedihobbit** · 05-04-2010, 09:13 PM

The final resting place I envision for this unit will actually be some kind of table or display area off the floor but until then filter it'll have to be because of "my kids".........

Like the suggestion for moving the drives as that way I can put in a 120 insteed of a 92. However many more fans and I'll need more than just a two fan controller!

**jedihobbit** · 05-05-2010, 01:20 AM

How about one of these in the bottom with a companion 120 or duplicate at top (if there's enough sheet metal!

)

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=26720

**Dragon** · 05-05-2010, 01:51 AM

the issue is not necesserily the incomigng but out going air. if you have too much coming in and not enough going out that air remains stagnant will in turns starts to heat up.

**Blacksmith1** · 05-05-2010, 02:32 AM

true but with the PSU fan and the one at the rear both out flow, I think that it would over all keep air moving thru his case. and Jedi that fan has higher Db and the same CFM as the one I suggested, It does look alot cooler tho'

and your cats need a haircut, Damn hippie cats......

**jedihobbit** · 05-05-2010, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by Dragon

the issue is not necesserily the incomigng but out going air. if you have too much coming in and not enough going out that air remains stagnant will in turns starts to heat up.

I appreciate your input Dragon and I'm not disputing you, just have to try and make what I have work. After all the fan mods if I still have the heat issue then one of the 250s will come out (or she'll let me get a newer case!).

What I'm looking to do is as in the "old days" where over pressurization was the deal forcing the air out any holes available. Combined with the mesh expansion slots, the cooling holes next to the 80mm, thinking of popping out some of the odd knok outs on the rear, I hopeing for a lot of "leakage". Also hope the directional coolers on the GPUs, and as BS1 says the PSU will also vent. Throw in something on top there should be lots of air going somewhere!

Of course I'll have to give the wife ear plugs and I'll turn down the hearing aids.

@ BS1

is important (if yours had leds in it well.......) and the gray one just got his annual summer cut.........we call it his "baboon cut", I'll have to get a couple of pix up. Here's one they called a "lion cut" as they just leave the hair long around the head, legs , & tail.

They definately have us well trained!!